2022/24 Russian-Ukrainian War

[Richard White]

That's where me and you differ. Turmoil in Russia is peace for the rest. They weren't invading their neighbours in the 1990s.



Which is why I think this is a false flag. It's too convenient a cover for all the things they want to do.



Disagree. I for one will accept some turmoil to see the end of Russian imperialism for good. People are only scared of this because they can't imagine a world without the Russian Empire. A century ago the same was said about the British and French empires.

All good points but something to consider is that Russia has their hands on a very big nuclear button.

Turmoil is good and Russia does need a change of leadership however there needs to be stability where the worlds largest nuclear arsenal is concerned.

As well, they have their hand in alot of different aspects of geo-politics, a destabilized Russia could mean a destabilized situation elsewhere. If anything this would be akin to the collapse of the USSR.

 

[kEiThZ]

All good points but something to consider is that Russia has their hands on a very big nuclear button.

Turmoil is good and Russia does need a change of leadership however there needs to be stability where the worlds largest nuclear arsenal is concerned.

I'm less worried about Russian nukes than Pakistani nukes. The US and EU will buy up and decommission Russian nukes if they have to. Most likely whatever is left of Muscovy will get the nukes.

As well, they have their hand in alot of different aspects of geo-politics, a destabilized Russia could mean a destabilized situation elsewhere. If anything this would be akin to the collapse of the USSR.

The collapse of the USSR led to a substantial decrease in conflict and a substantial increase in prosperity for a number of ex-Communist states. It also kicked off the economic booms of countries like India and China as Soviet economic influence ended. I would think somebody with roots in Eastern Europe would understand this.

 

[Richard White]

I'm less worried about Russian nukes than Pakistani nukes. The US and EU will buy up and decommission Russian nukes if they have to. Most likely whatever is left of Muscovy will get the nukes.



The collapse of the USSR led to a substantial decrease in conflict and a substantial increase in prosperity for a number of ex-Communist states. It also kicked off the economic booms of countries like India and China as Soviet economic influence ended. I would think somebody with roots in Eastern Europe would understand this.

It also led to Georgian Separatists and Chechen Rebels.

 

[kEiThZ]

It also led to Georgian Separatists and Chechen Rebels.

One of my few regrets in life is not understanding and supporting those causes. Much of what we think about those causes was shaped by Russian propaganda. I was in my teens then. So I understand better now.

Do you know who Dzhokar Duadyev is?

Dzhokhar Dudayev - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The man is revered in Estonia for refusing to crush Estonian dissidents. He was a former Soviet general and the first President of the independent Chechnyan Republic. Watch this and tell me if this man sounds like a terrorist:

The world would be a more peaceful place today if we had listened to people like him.

 

[lenaitch]

I'm not sure I'm convinced of the authenticity of that video anyway.

 

[lenaitch]

I saw this on another forum. The point is, with Russia, Ukrainian victory or defeat doesn't change their future ambitions in the area so long as Russia is still relatively intact.

(I hope it copies over)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653087112642658304

 

[kEiThZ]

I'm not sure I'm convinced of the authenticity of that video anyway.

It's looking more sketchy now....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653767278293336064

 

[kEiThZ]

All good points but something to consider is that Russia has their hands on a very big nuclear button.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653037359120695299

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

It's looking more sketchy now....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653767278293336064

There are some discussions that this is after the first drone - though the whole thing about the attack on the Kremlin is a little fishy in general.

AoD

 

[Admiral Beez]

The ministry said Russia’s situation had likely been worsened by “tensions between the Russian ministry of defence and Wagner Group, both of whom contribute troops in the sector”.

Well, it looks like Wagner will soon be out the picture, so the Russian ministry of defence can do what they want.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654397764569104384

 

[Towered]

Well, it looks like Wagner will soon be out the picture, so the Russian ministry of defence can do what they want.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654397764569104384

I would take anything that POS says with a huge grain of salt. It's best to totally ignore anything that comes out of the mouths of high profile Russians involved in this catastrophe.

 

[kEiThZ]

Yeah sounds like bluster to me. Or he's just scared he'll be leaving Bakhmut anyway when Ukraine kicks them out.....

 

[Admiral Beez]

Yeah sounds like bluster to me. Or he's just scared he'll be leaving Bakhmut anyway when Ukraine kicks them out.....

I think as one of the only Russian senior commanders seemingly this close to the front, he sees the writing on the wall and wants to both deflect blame and bug out before he's cut off.

 

[kEiThZ]

I'm torn between this is a trap and hope that the Russians are genuinely this incompetent.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654592095976300547

 

[Towered]

Ukraine’s 82nd Air Assault Brigade Is Ridiculously Powerful—And Could Lead The Coming Counteroffensive

It’s apparent that the 2,000-person brigade, which formed in February, will lead from the front once Ukraine’s spring mud finally dries up and Kyiv launches its long-planned counteroffensive.

www.forbes.com