digi
Active Member
It uses magnetic induction (transformer theory) it's not new technology.
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It uses magnetic induction (transformer theory) it's not new technology.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Using induction to propel streetcars is new technology. The scientific principle maybe old but the application is recent. That said, I hate unsightly wires. I am all for PRIMOVE.
Komiksulo
Active Member
I thought the induction was only to transfer power into the car. Propulsion would be provided by regular electric motors. Am I wrong?
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Komiksulo:
I think so - it doesn't look like an linear induction motor from the site.
Keithz:
I don't think road salt and live wires close to the surface is a good idea...
AoD
I think so - it doesn't look like an linear induction motor from the site.
Keithz:
I don't think road salt and live wires close to the surface is a good idea...
AoD
allabootmatt
Senior Member
More cold water.
Streetcars may not qualify for stimulus, says Baird
JEFF GRAY
April 28, 2009
Toronto's transit agency formally approved plans to buy 204 new streetcars from Montreal-based Bombardier yesterday, but Transport Minister John Baird said the $1.2-billion deal might not qualify for funds from Ottawa's stimulus package.
"We want to create jobs now. That's a 10-year contract," he told reporters.
Toronto Transit Commission officials have said the Bombardier deal cannot go ahead unless the federal and provincial governments each commit to cover at least one-third of the cost before a June 27 deadline.
Streetcars may not qualify for stimulus, says Baird
JEFF GRAY
April 28, 2009
Toronto's transit agency formally approved plans to buy 204 new streetcars from Montreal-based Bombardier yesterday, but Transport Minister John Baird said the $1.2-billion deal might not qualify for funds from Ottawa's stimulus package.
"We want to create jobs now. That's a 10-year contract," he told reporters.
Toronto Transit Commission officials have said the Bombardier deal cannot go ahead unless the federal and provincial governments each commit to cover at least one-third of the cost before a June 27 deadline.
EnviroTO
Senior Member
The stimulus spending is for pushing up projects to complete them earlier while the economy is down, not for a streetcar purchase which is a year late and will take 10-years to complete. What the city should do is go nuts on individual waterfront projects.
nfitz
Superstar
The streetcar purchase has been underway for 2-years - the feds have known this is coming. It might not fit under stimulus funding, but that doesn't mean the feds shouldn't be providing their share. Very little of the payout is going to be before 2011 anyways, so it's not like it's going to conflict with the stimulus funding.
Do these clowns really want to be re-elected?
Do these clowns really want to be re-elected?
digi
Active Member
It's used to power the electric motors on the car, not propel it.
Hate to break it to you, but there are lots of cable buried under the roads. In fact, the streetcar tracks carry return current from the cars.
kEiThZ
Superstar
You are right. I stand corrected. It was a hasty response on my part.
With induction, you don't need live wires lying on the surface. You just need to have the wire (which is sealed/protected) close enough to the streetcar induction unit that it can transfer power. I think that should allow the power cable to be buried a few centimetres below the surface.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Keithz:
I know - except that concrete is permeable - and protected or not, this sounds like an area of potential trouble with a very high failure cost.
AoD
I know - except that concrete is permeable - and protected or not, this sounds like an area of potential trouble with a very high failure cost.
AoD
W. K. Lis
Superstar
The anti-transit forces are coming out of hiding. How long would a short term would qualify? 1 month? 1 year? 10 years? The 1950's highway expansion went on for over a decade, shouldn't transit expansion be given the same.
digi
Active Member
Wow...I guess you have me on ignore.
grey
Senior Member
More douchebaggery from John Baird.
"We want jobs now, not over 10 years."
How about the contract will provide stable employment for 10 years? Not instant minimum wage mcjobs?!
Also,
Flaherty: "I feel strongly about that as the Minister responsible for the GTA federally."
Whatever happened to his high speed rail in peterborough that would just happen to go through his riding and have a station stop there?
nfitz
Superstar
That man is simply a vindictive asshole, who is more interested in punishing Toronto for not voting Tory than he is in anything else.
I can't wait until those freaks are thrown out of office for good.
I can't wait until those freaks are thrown out of office for good.
allabootmatt
Senior Member
The other guys didn't do much for Toronto either.