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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

So, unlike our other scrambles, you would propose that E/W pedestrians could not cross the street when the E/W cars/streetcars have a green light?
Most scrambles I've ever seen, pedestrians can't cross when any cars are moving.

I fail to understand the Toronto ones. At Dundas you can't turn anywhere, so there's littlle to be gained by having an all-pedestrian phase - meanwhile you significantly impact the 505 Dundas streetcar.
 
Most scrambles I've ever seen, pedestrians can't cross when any cars are moving.

I fail to understand the Toronto ones. At Dundas you can't turn anywhere, so there's littlle to be gained by having an all-pedestrian phase - meanwhile you significantly impact the 505 Dundas streetcar.

At Dundas & Yonge, no pedestrians should cross when the motor vehicles are moving. Right turns could be allowed, if, and only if, no pedestrians are crossing, and not during a red light. Pedestrians should only cross during the scramble, and when no motor vehicles are in the intersection.
 
At Dundas & Yonge, no pedestrians should cross when the motor vehicles are moving. Right turns could be allowed, if, and only if, no pedestrians are crossing, and not during a red light. Pedestrians should only cross during the scramble, and when no motor vehicles are in the intersection.
Allowing right turns at Dundas & Yonge would only lead to more cars unnecessarily using that intersection.

The best solution for transit is simply eliminate the scramble here completely, and just use the regular phases.

Though perhaps even better would be to turn Yonge into a pedestrian mall. And then simply having a phase where you can cross everywhere, and a phase where cars and pedestrians move along Dundas.
 
Though perhaps even better would be to turn Yonge into a pedestrian mall. And then simply having a phase where you can cross everywhere, and a phase where cars and pedestrians move along Dundas.

+1

Yonge should have been made a permanent pedestrian mall, or at the very least a seasonal one. With the signal timing you propose traffic and the streetcar would move much better too.
 
I still think building the DRL on King, removing the 504, and pedestrianizing Queen is the best idea. You can remove the Richmond and Adelaide bike lanes and add a lane there again as well. Queen streetcar is now fast as it had no traffic to deal with, and more long distance passengers are moved to the DRL.

So then you're going to have subway stops every 400 or 500 metres apart to replace the streetcar?

Wouldn't that cause the "long distance" passengers to bitch and complain that the subway is taking too long?

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
So then you're going to have subway stops every 400 or 500 metres apart to replace the streetcar?

Wouldn't that cause the "long distance" passengers to bitch and complain that the subway is taking too long?

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

There's no way to go fast or long distance as it is. If you do 800-1km (similar to Bloor subway or central Eglinton), it should be a good balance between long distance and local for downtown. Once the DRL goes out to the suburbs it can come wider stop spacing.
 
I've gone over stop spacing before, it would be fairly closely spaced along king but with very few stops (if any) when moving north to Bloor, so the trains would save a lot of time there. Under even the more densely spaced versions of the DRL there are still 3 or 4 stations fewer than existing routes.
 
So then you're going to have subway stops every 400 or 500 metres apart to replace the streetcar?

Wouldn't that cause the "long distance" passengers to bitch and complain that the subway is taking too long?
You don't need subway stops every 400 to 500 metres. You leave one of those streetcar lines in place, only 400 metres away.

Though I'd put subway under Queen with Dundas car 400 metres to north and King 400 metres to south. Or put subway at King and put a streetcar along Front.
 
Meanwhile, up in Thunder Bay. From this link or this link:

Bombardier is seeking a court injunction it says is needed to keep people safe when entering the Thunder Bay plant while almost a thousand workers are on strike.

A company spokesperson says it sought the injunction Wednesday after concerns were raised by employees who are not on strike and needed to cross the picket line.

About 400 Bombardier employees do not belong to the local of striking Unifor workers.

Union spokesperson Andy Savela said he's not aware of any incidents that put people's safety at risk.

“Obviously, when people are on strike, people's emotions run high,†he said.

“I don't think there have been any significant incidents. I know people are reluctant to just allow people free access to the work place.â€

Bombardier spokesperson Stephanie Ash said the company felt the injunction was warranted.

“There were several incidents [Wednesday] morning where employees reported they felt it was not a safe place to enter the workplace — and therefore the injunction has been filed,†she said.

Savela said he's “disheartened†the company didn't speak directly to the union about safety concerns. He said the company forced the union into a strike and is now pushing again with the injunction.

“They're treating the strike the same way,†he said.

“I think it's more a corporate mandate than anything else. I think this is the way they're going to deal with our union.â€
 
Another write-up on the situation up in Thunder Bay, from The Star, at this link:

Why the stakes are high at Bombardier’s strike-bound Thunder Bay plant

The globalization of the light rail industry, the changing nature of trade agreements and the arrival of a new chief executive officer at Bombardier Transportation have all changed the climate at the Thunder Bay rail plant.


The Thunder Bay plant that builds streetcars, subway cars and GO train coaches for the Toronto region has never been busier.

With $3 billion worth of orders in hand, the facility owned by Canada’s Bombardier Inc. had ramped up production, nearly doubling employment at the plant to 1,300 people since 2010.

And with a new Ontario government committed to spending $29 billion for public transit, highways, roads, and bridges over the next 10 years, demand for the kind of light rail vehicles Bombardier makes seems destined to increase.

So, why is Bombardier Inc. willing to endure a strike to wring concessions from nearly 900 unionized workers at the Thunder Bay plant where the vehicles are made?

The answer may lie somewhere between the globalization of the light rail industry, the changing nature of trade agreements and the arrival of a new chief executive officer at Bombardier Transportation with a mandate to drive efficiencies.

“We’re deeply disappointed that our Unifor employees have made the decision to strike as from the onset of negotiations we’ve really been committed to reaching an agreement that’s both fair and reasonable and one that in the long run would provide well paid jobs,†Bombardier spokesperson Marc-Andre Lefebvre said earlier this week.

“Obviously, our positions are far apart,†Lefebvre added. “But we really want to make sure we get into a situation where we provide fair compensation for employees but maintain our operational costs at a level that are competitive.

“If we want to be able to bring more work to Thunder Bay we have to remain competitive,†he said.

The union representing the hourly workers said it saw no reason to give up hard fought gains. So, on Monday at 2 p.m, they walked off the job.

For Unifor national president Jerry Dias it’s about drawing a line in the sand.

“There’s this incredible arrogance out there. Companies today, because of what we went through in 2008 and 2009, think people should just be happy to have a job,†Dias said. “So they come in and say I’m going to get rid of your pension plan, I’m going to get rid of your post-retirement benefits. There’s no rhyme or reason for Bombardier to say that.

“We’re saying we’re done.â€

This is the same union that made what outsiders would call concessions to the Big Three Detroit automakers in its last two contracts, agreeing to lower starting rates and lesser pension benefits for new hires.

But Dias said that was different. The auto industry was on the verge of collapse. General Motors was in bankruptcy court protection.

Without government aid and labour concessions, thousands of jobs could have been lost, he said. And the union was under pressure to match a two-tier wage systems its U.S. counterpart, the United Auto Workers, had agreed to south of the border, he said.

By Thursday, the strike in Thunder Bay was in its fourth day, with no talks in sight. A strike three years earlier over similar issues was settled within three days.

So, what’s different this time around?

Bombardier says it’s worried about increased competition from foreign-owned rivals for future business.

“We’re seeing competitors outside the country coming into Canada and bidding on new contracts,†Lefebvre noted.

“When you look at the levels of local content required Bombardier always meets and exceeds the levels of Canadian content that are necessary. But we may see in the future some competitors coming in at levels that are lower.â€

Canadian content requirements for manufacturers who want to bid on public transit contracts in Ontario is just 25 per cent, noted Martin Lavoie, a policy director with Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters.

In comparison, Quebec requires 60 per cent domestic content plus final assembly. The U.S. also requires 60 per cent local content and the Obama Administration has proposed raising that to 100 per cent in the future.

Between a rising Canadian dollar that has made exports less competitive, and tighter local content rules, Bombardier is facing a situation where it may have to invest more in its U.S. plants to meet those requirements, Lavoie said.

Meanwhile, trade agreements like the one Canada has signed with the European Union could allow foreign-owned competitors to more aggressively challenge `those local content rules, Lavoie said.

“What you could have is a European company like (Germany’s) Siemens or (France’s) Alstom say, ‘I’ll buy my suspension and brakes and this and that in Canada but I’ll make the cars in Mexico or the U.S.,†he said.

Canada could push back, Lavoie said. Most trade agreements allow exemptions for government financed infrastructure projects.

“But we don’t enforce them,†Lavoie said.

If the City of Toronto’s history of handling of the two current massive transit contracts awarded to Bombardier is any indication, the future bidding process will be fraught with controversy.

In 2006, under former Toronto Mayor David Miller, the city chose to bypass the public tendering process in order to award the contract for the next generation of subway cars to Bombardier.

German-owned Seimens objected. But the city went ahead with its sole-source plan.

Proponents argued the decision to favour Bombardier would create 750 jobs in Toronto and economically hard-hit Thunder Bay, while also generating $130 million in tax revenue for the Ontario and federal governments.

The deal for 234 new subway cars, at a cost or $710 million, went to Bombardier as planned.

A year later, in a bid to avoid a repeat of the controversy, the Toronto Transit Commission decided a $1.2 billion contract for 204 new streetcars would require 25 per cent Canadian content.

The level was set so that Bombardier’s rivals could bid, while the national economy still reaped some benefits.

Bombardier won the streetcar deal anyway, two years later, because Siemens’ bid came in $500 million higher.

Montreal-based Bombardier, a Canadian manufacturing superstar, got into the mass transit business in 1974 after the oil crisis a year earlier forced the company to halve its snowmobile production.

To redeploy the company’s excess manufacturing capacity, Laurent Beaudoin acquired mass transit technology and applied Bombardier’s manufacturing know-how to building rolling stock.

The company won its first mass transit contract that year to build 423 cars for Montreal’s subway system.

Now, with $8.8 billion U.S. in global sales, Bombardier Transportation was the world’s third largest maker of railway equipment in 2013, after two Chinese firms, CNR Corp. and CSR Corp., according to European market research firm Xerfi Global.

Though better known for its aerospace division, rail transportation accounts for just over half of Bombardier’s $16.4 billion (U.S.) a year in global sales.

Still, in March 2013, faced with cost over-runs in its European division, Bombardier brought in Lutz Bertling, a Germany industry executive, to run the transportation business.

In an interview with Bloomberg in May, 2014, Bertling said his goal is to trim spending, and increase standardization.

He described a vision he called “OneBT,†where the same trains, made with the same components, can be designed and built in Germany, China or the U.S.

He’s not there yet.

In its latest quarter, revenue in the transportation division was $2.3 billion, up from $2.1 billion a year earlier, but earnings before interest and taxes were just 5 per cent of revenue, down from 6.7 per cent a year ago.

Still, the company won $8 billion worth of new light rail business in the first three month of this year, including deals to supply vehicles, components, depots and/or maintenance services in the U.K., Australia, South Africa and San Francisco.

An analyst who covers Bombardier said the strike at the Thunder Bay plant is a minor event for a global company of its size.

But for the workers, it’s a very different story.

At stake in the dispute are the company’s demands that newer employees go on a higher-risk defined contribution pension plan, and cuts to many future retirees’ medical and drug benefits, the union says.

But there’s another larger issue as well.

There’s about 18 months left on the Toronto Rocket subway contract. Bombardier says.

Absent any new deals, as many as 300 workers at the Thunder Bay plant could be out of job before the end of 2015, the union says.

“There has to be some kind of understanding that Canadians are going to work on Canadian funded projects before workers from another country,†Dias said
 
I am all supportive of Bombardier, but a company needs efficiency to remain competitive, instead of expecting preferential treatment like the Miller government did (which was wrong).

I see how providing defined contribution pension is wrong. Isn't it what the vast majority of private sector workers receive? define benefit plans should be phased out gradually because that's simply not sustainable.

So sick of unions raising the flag of "fair wage" when the wage and benefit they demand is anything but fair compared with average workers in Canada.
 
Streetcars nothing but outdated technology kept alive by political forces

Streetcars nothing but outdated technology kept alive by political forces

July 18, 2014

By Terence Corcoran

Read More: http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...ed-technology-kept-alive-by-political-forces/

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The first light rail transit system (LRT) was a small boxy car pulled by horses over rails imbedded into the street. Not much has changed in the streetcar world since then–about 1830, almost 200 years ago. On the streets of Toronto they still pull boxy carriages over rails imbedded in the street, the difference being that instead of a horse it takes a billion dollar’s worth of infrastructure—tracks, concrete, roadways, electrical overhead, power transmission facilities, dedicated rights-of-way—to haul the cars over tracks that are an anachronism.

- In 1972, the TTC studied the streetcar and came up with a sound and viable plan, which called for “the elimination of streetcars and their replacement by new subways, buses or electrical trolley buses.” Those plans, however, were “decisively reversed, largely as a result of citizen support for continued streetcar service. “ That “citizen support” was largely produced by a core of leftist public transit activists through a group called Streetcars for Toronto. Its backers including public transit advocate Steve Munro and William Kilbourn, a Rosedale historian. And so Toronto held on to its streetcar dreams over the next four decades, captive of a range of interests and pathologies, from nostalgia to autophobia to a belief that streetcars were superior to buses and subways.

- The option of installing trolley buses—with vehicles described by the TTC as quieter, emissions-free, smoother-riding and longer-lasting than fuel-based buses—was dismissed as requiring too much costly infrastructure. But the study did not compare trolley buses with streetcars, whose capital costs are much higher than trolley buses. The fixation on tracks running down the middle of main traffic arteries is nothing but perverse.

- Almost two centuries after the invention of horse-drawn vehicles pulled on tracks, your city is now locked into billion-dollar streetcar expansions. The economics of such expansion are prohibitive and will require endless subsidies from taxpayers, not to mention the continuing cost of inconvenience and congestion brought on by the rigid streetcar system. Now there is talk of clearing all automobile movement on King Street and other streetcar-strangled streets, all to facilitate the trundling vestige of the horsecar along tracks that lock Toronto into the 19th century.

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What with the National Post, as they have posted the most write ups in day than the blue moon ones? This writer as well others are off based more ways than enough and haven't done their homework. I guess he never travels around the world or the US to see an the new lines being built let alone rolling stock being replace with new one after 40 years or more of service.

Someone should show them photos of TTC PCC's that were Mu on King, Queen and Bloor routes that were as long as the new ones.

Streetcars built Toronto until the 1940's and was one of the cities GM could not gain control of transit systems to scrap streetcars for buses and the car.
 

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