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alexanderglista said:
Yup. I'd expect the HMLRT to move quickly into the RFQ and RFP process after funding is announced, then into construction sometime in 2016. I expect it to be the full route because of RER and because of Linda Jeffrey being supportive of a downtown Brampton Route. This LRT crosses many constituencies and could help buy Liberal votes in 2018, thus it will be rushed along. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Metrolinx allocate the 40 Bombardier Flexity Freedoms from the Scarborough LRT to this project.

I would be surprised to see Mississauga pay capital costs, as Crombie made it clear "Mississauga has no money". Making Brampton pay if Mississauga isn't is simply unfair. Linda Jeffrey said that "Brampton needs to put some skin in the game", I don't think it will be for the first phase. Brampton needs rapid transit north of Brampton GO also, so maybe it would kick in for a second phase of LRT north on Hurontario.
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Not sure that Brampton "needs" rapid transit north of Brampton GO but having this LRT take over from the most heavily trafficked part of the Main Zum line does leave the northern part of that Zum line in a bit of a strange place.
 
TOareaFan said:
Not sure that Brampton "needs" rapid transit north of Brampton GO but having this LRT take over from the most heavily trafficked part of the Main Zum line does leave the northern part of that Zum line in a bit of a strange place.
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The long-term plan for Zum Main was to extend it to the 410/Hurontario interchange at Valleyfield Road, where a MTO carpool lot would be; serving carpoolers and the GO Orangeville bus.
 
Keep in mind, that Waterloo got its first promise of funding for LRT in 2010, and the papers were only finally signed in 2014. That was an incredibly nerve-wracking 4 years for us, going through effectively 2 municipal election cycles, as well as provincial and federal ones.
 
DonValleyRainbow said:
Consider that its a project in The Big Move, and through the Investment Strategy, it was supposed to be 100% funded by the province. The deal changed, and if I were a mayor of a municipality, I'd be livid.
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Why should they be livid? They should be prepared to contribute 30% like other places who are also building rapid transit in Ontario. The Investment Strategy involved taxes which the public rejected. Poll after poll showed this when it was released. Sure the Investment Strategy would be great, but you have to face political reality sometimes, it was rejected by the public. For municipalities to expect the province to pay 100% of the Big Move while they sit on the sidelines is delusional. There is nothing in the Big Move that says the province bear 100% of the costs for the Big Move. Why aren't they getting livid at the Feds, where is their contribution to any of these projects?
 
ShonTron said:
The long-term plan for Zum Main was to extend it to the 410/Hurontario interchange at Valleyfield Road, where a MTO carpool lot would be; serving carpoolers and the GO Orangeville bus.
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"long term" being the key words (as in, I don't think there was ever a date assigned to it other than "one day")....but, in the short/medium term, the least ridden part of the Main Zum is all that is going to remain....so is it, really, still a Zum type route? Or should those buses and shelters go to a route with more ridership? Tough call to take something away but, really, is Main north of Nelson, without the southern part, really anywhere close to BRT(lite) ridership figures?
 
Ontario willing to fund Mississauga-Brampton LRT without federal help

OLIVER MOOREURBAN TRANSPORTATION REPORTER — The Globe and Mail
Published Tuesday, Apr. 21 2015, 3:00 AM EDT

Last updated Tuesday, Apr. 21 2015, 3:00 AM EDT

The province is willing to put up the full cost of building a light rail line in Mississauga and Brampton, The Globe and Mail has learned, a commitment that would appear to push far into the future any chance of a relief subway line in downtown Toronto.
‎The regional transit agency Metrolinx will announce on Tuesday it is moving ahead on the suburban LRT project, the cost of which has been pegged at $1.6-billion. The province is going ahead without a funding agreement with the federal government, though the pledge to build the LRT would allow it to apply for federal assistance that could reduce the price tag.
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The LRT pledge comes only months after Mississauga ruffled feathers by saying it couldn’t contribute anything to the project.
The 23-kilometre proposed LRT would run from the Port Credit to Brampton GO stations, making a loop around the Mississauga City Centre area.
If Queen’s Park’s ends up covering the bulk of the cost, it will mean that most of the roughly $16-billion in new provincial transit spending promised over 10 years – the biggest expansion in decades – will be outside Toronto. After a GO rail investment announced Friday and this LRT, there could be little left in the transit funding pot.
The provincial willingness to carry the full cost of this project is in line with light rail pledges made by Queen’s Park in years past. But it runs counter to the more recent practice of paying only a third of the capital cost, and expecting the federal and municipal governments to pick up the rest. This sort of cost-sharing is the funding model for the Scarborough subway extension and for Toronto Mayor John Tory’s SmartTrack transit plan.‎ The announcement adds to the growing tab for transit that will primarily serve riders outside Toronto.
On Friday, the provincial government said that it would pour $13.5-billion into expanding service on the regional GO rail network. That investment would mean there would be only about $2.5-billion left from the total of about $16-billion earmarked for transit in the Toronto and Hamilton regions.
Asked at that announcement where that huge investment would leave the other projects in the so-called “next wave†of priorities identified by Metrolinx – a list that includes a downtown relief line for Toronto – Minister of Transportation Steven Del Duca said the public would have to wait and see. More news is coming, he said.
If the Mississauga-Brampton LRT ends up being funded by the province, it could soak up most of the money left after Friday’s announcement, leaving little for everything else.
This is at odds with the logic behind the next wave of projects, which included a mix of priorities across the Toronto and Hamilton areas, hoping to offer something for as many people as possible and build regional support.
This list of projects was unveiled late in 2012 by Metrolinx CEO Bruce McCuaig. It included some expansion of GO rail but also a number of other projects.
Only a few months later, then-transportation minister Glen Murray was dressed down by the provincial government for saying that the projects were open to change. His assessment has since proved true, as the province put increasing focus on GO rail to the exclusion of most of the remainder of the next wave.
Insiders have said that the government never really bought into the downtown relief line and kept looking for ways to avoid having to build it. When Mr. Tory proposed piggy-backing his transit proposal onto existing provincial plans to electrify GO, saying it would bring the necessary relief to the overburdened Toronto system, the DRL could be moved down the priority list.



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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ton-lrt-without-federal-help/article24040112/
 
The province paid for all of Toronto's LRT lines, when they pay for someone else's people start whining. If the DRL was such a priority for Toronto, why are they all of a sudden pushing Smarttrack. When was the last time you heard any mention of the Relief Line from any Toronto politician recently?
 
Ontario Newsroom

News Release

Ontario Moving Forward with Hurontario-Main Light Rail Transit Project

April 21, 2015

Project to Bring 23 KM, 26 Stops of Light Rail Transit to Mississauga, Brampton

As part of the largest infrastructure investment in Ontario's history, Ontario is moving ahead with the Hurontario-Main Light Rail Transit (LRT) project.

This LRT is a new public transit project, led by Metrolinx, that will bring 23 kilometres of rapid transit to Mississauga and Brampton. The LRT line is proposed to have 26 stops, including three stops within downtown Mississauga and two stops in downtown Brampton. The service will move more people faster through these corridors than the existing bus service.

Through the Moving Ontario Forward plan the government is investing in priority rapid transit projects that will connect to the GO Transit network and other transit systems across the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area (GTHA). These priority rapid transit projects will increase transit ridership, reduce travel times, manage congestion, connect people to jobs, and improve the economy.

On April 16, 2015, Ontario moved ahead with its plan to unlock the value of certain public assets. This will provide the province with approximately $4 billion to build new transit and other priority infrastructure projects through Moving Ontario Forward.

Investing more than $130 billion over 10 years in public infrastructure ­-- the largest infrastructure investment in the province's history -- is part of the government's plan for Ontario. The four-part plan is building Ontario up by investing in people's talents and skills, building new public infrastructure like roads and transit, creating a dynamic, innovative environment where business thrives, and building a secure retirement savings plan.


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The province’s Moving Ontario Forward plan will make $31.5 billion available over the next 10 years for investments in priority infrastructure projects across the province and is expected to support over 20,000 jobs per year, on average, in construction and related industries.
Under Moving Ontario Forward, around $16 billion is being allocated to transit and transportation projects in the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area (GTHA), and about $15 billion available for investment in roads, bridges, transit and other critical infrastructure in the rest of the province.
The Hurontario-Main LRT will provide a crucial link between many of the region’s existing transit lines, including GO Transit’s Kitchener, Milton and Lakeshore West rail lines, Brampton Züm, and the Mississauga Transitway BRT.
 
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Hurontario-Main Light Rail Transit

April 21, 2015 8:50 A.M.Ministry of Transportation

Through the Moving Ontario Forward plan, the government is investing in priority rapid transit projects that will connect to GO Transit and other transit systems across the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area (GTHA). These priority rapid transit projects will increase transit ridership, reduce travel times, manage congestion, connect people to jobs, and improve the economy.

As a signature project under the Moving Ontario Forward Plan, Ontario is working with its agency, Metrolinx, and the cities of Brampton and Mississauga to move forward on next steps to building the new Hurontario-Main light rail transit (LRT).

The Hurontario-Main LRT will bring 23 kilometres of new modern, reliable, rapid transit to Mississauga and Brampton along the Hurontario-Main corridor.
The LRT line is proposed to have 26 stops connecting people to key destinations in Mississauga and Brampton to help get them where they need to go.
The Hurontario-Main LRT will also provide crucial connections to many of the region's existing transit lines including GO Transit's Kitchener, Milton and Lakeshore West rail lines, Brampton Züm, and the Mississauga Transitway.
This commitment of $1.6 billion is part of the Moving Ontario Forward Plan, which will create an integrated, rapid transit system for the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area.
The maintenance and storage facility for the LRT project will be located near Hurontario and Highway 407.
Projected ridership is expected to be 35 million annually by 2031.
The Transit Project Assessment Process for this project was completed in September 2014.
Metrolinx is working collaboratively with the cities of Mississauga and Brampton to advance work on the project.
Start of construction: approximately 2018
Estimated in-service date: 2022
 
Adjei said:
The province paid for all of Toronto's LRT lines, when they pay for someone else's people start whining. If the DRL was such a priority for Toronto, why are they all of a sudden pushing Smarttrack. When was the last time you heard any mention of the Relief Line from any Toronto politician recently?
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"The province paid for all of Toronto's LRT lines"

Uh... do you mean the single LRT line that will actually be constructed? The province didn't pay for all of it. And a large amount of the 'province's' contribution came from Toronto taxpayer revenue.

LRT in Hamilton, Kitchener, Mississauga, and Ottawa has enthusiastic support here.

Several politicians talk about the DRL a lot. The TTC talks about it a lot. But "priorities" are set by only a few insiders, the mayor being one of them. And that's what the mayor promised to build during his election. In three years it could be completely dead.
 
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TOareaFan said:
"long term" being the key words (as in, I don't think there was ever a date assigned to it other than "one day")....but, in the short/medium term, the least ridden part of the Main Zum is all that is going to remain....so is it, really, still a Zum type route? Or should those buses and shelters go to a route with more ridership? Tough call to take something away but, really, is Main north of Nelson, without the southern part, really anywhere close to BRT(lite) ridership figures?
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You must not be out that way too often then. I find ridership on the 502 north of Theatre Lane to be picking up considerably to the point where buses in midday are usually standing loads north of Theatre lane and in the rush hour, buses have standing loads in the peak direction (AM SB, PM NB). The intersection of Main/Bovaird has also become quite the busy transfer point. I'm sure increased service and development on Bovaird will help out big time.

Also, a northward extension of the 502 to Valleywood could come easy and cheap and would likely be in place come the LRT opening. A total of 5 new stops would be required, 2 at Wanless, 2 at Mayfield and one for the Valleywood terminus.

With Wanless quickly developing out towards Mississauga Road while also being Widened between Creditview and Mississauga Road, I wouldn't be surprised if we soon see a route operating along it, thus brining in more potential ridership to the 502.


As for the LRT, construction to start in 2018. Not too surprised by that, given the scale of these projects, the whole RFQ and RFP process takes quite some time. I don't see this project being tendered as anything less than two sections, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it goes out as one whole project.

It's no wonder we've seen such an influx of foreign (mostly Spanish) construction companies coming to the GTA these past few years
 
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Jonny5 said:
"The province paid for all of Toronto's LRT lines"

Uh... do you mean the single LRT line that will actually be constructed? The province didn't pay for all of it. And a large amount of the 'province's' contribution came from Toronto taxpayer revenue.

LRT in Hamilton, Kitchener, Mississauga, and Ottawa has enthusiastic support here.

Several politicians talk about the DRL a lot. The TTC talks about it a lot. But "priorities" are set by only a few insiders, the mayor being one of them. And that's what the mayor promised to build during his election. In three years it could be completely dead.
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Who is paying for Eglinton, Finch, and Sheppard LRT lines? It sure isn't the City of Toronto...

Which politicians talk about the DRL and I mean the Toronto City councillors and Mayor within the last year? It barely gets a mention, sure the TTC may talk about it but the politicians determine what gets built. Tory is pushing Smarttrack, haven't heard anything about the DRL. It's now pushed back till who knows when.
 
So, with the GO expansion announced last week....and this project today....is the book closed on the funds allocated for the GTHA pool of funds the province made available? Aren't we at $15.1B already?

My opposition to this line is long standing and well recorded so no need to go into that again......but it does show how little can actually get built for $15B when it comes down to it and a bit sad that the last dollars are spent on a line that, while nice and new and shiny, can hardly be considered crucial from a regional transit perspective.
 
I was really hoping the yonge corridor could get a boost, otherwise Toronto and Richmond Hill (the yonge corridor) are the biggest losers while it's the busiest corridor, not even getting an RER
 
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