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[toraerach]

IIRC the DRL was barely on the radar before Byford started advocating publicly for it. Before that, the only people talking about it were transit nerds and a few planners. It certainly didn't come up often during the 2010 municipal campaign beyond brief mentions in some council candidates' platforms. The general public didn't really know or care about it all that much. The TTC seemed dead set against it until relatively recently, and I doubt council would've considered it had York region not been pushing so hard for the Yonge extension.

 

[GenerationW]

I doubt council would've considered it had York region not been pushing so hard for the Yonge extension.

Bingo!

 

[ehlow]

Eglinton Connects report was approved by city council.

 

[GenerationW]

Eglinton Connects report was approved by city council.

That's good news.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

Well, and on the back of Stintz who was opposed to it, and did not push it at TTC until Byford set her straight years later.

The city could have done a lot more but the province was then one who buried the DRL.

Which meant about as much as council calling the DRL the city's highest transit priority in 2012. Nice symbolism, but not much more.

So what? Nothing was irreversible or set in stone in 2009.

Yeah, because Ford would not have canceled it along with Transit City...

 

[GenerationW]

The city could have done a lot more but the province was then one who buried the DRL.

How exactly did the province bury it when it was on the provincial agenda before Toronto's?

Yeah, because Ford would not have canceled it along with Transit City...

Probably not since the DRL would be a subway. Though who really knows what that idiot might have done, and sooner or later council would have to be involved (as happened when council cancelled his cancellation).

 

[aquateam]

Probably not since the DRL would be a subway. Though who really knows what that idiot might have done, and sooner or later council would have to be involved (as happened when council cancelled his cancellation).

Yeah, but "downtown has enough subways". They don't get any more until we have subways on every suburban artery.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

How exactly did the province bury it when it was on the provincial agenda before Toronto's?

Because, it was in the long term 25 year plan, and not the 15 year or initial 5 in 10 plan.

Probably not since the DRL would be a subway. Though who really knows what that idiot might have done, and sooner or later council would have to be involved (as happened when council cancelled his cancellation).

Well he wants Sheppard East and the Bloor Danforth extension done first before the DRL. At least that's what he said, claiming downtown has enough subways.

 

[nfitz]

We shall see. Less than ten years left to qualify for the 15-year plan.

The 2013 revision to the Big Move reset the 15-year clock.

 

[nfitz]

The city could have done a lot more but the province was then one who buried the DRL.

They could of. But this clearly sets the record straight from the recent trolling that Miller was against subways, and only ever considered LRT.

 

[ehlow]

I should mention that Doug Ford had some really bizarre remarks at the Eglinton Connects meeting.

He was criticizing the fact that the underground part of the Eglinton Crosstown had wider stop spacing than the bus and that people had to walk to the nearest station. He seemed to criticize underground transit. All this seemingly contradicted his support for subways. Very strange and completely unrelated to Eg Connects.

 

[andrewpmk]

The DRL is the one line which unquestionably has to be a subway, even if no new development gets built along it. My suspicion with Eglinton is that light rail might be barely adequate if there is no new development along it, particularly if parallel GO lines are electrified as well. However, the OMB tends to allow much taller buildings than the urban planning department wants, and building too many tall buildings could overwhelm the LRT. What will happen if the Celestica building at Don Mills and Eglinton gets replaced with dozens of tall condos but there is no DRL? Unfortunately, Miller basically ignored the DRL though he wasn't actually against it. For everything else, he had this strange bias for LRT. This does not make sense for lines that are mostly grade separated like Eglinton and the SRT.

 

[GenerationW]

Because, it was in the long term 25 year plan, and not the 15 year or initial 5 in 10 plan.

The point is it wasn't in ANY city plan. Toronto only half-cared in reaction to York Region pushing Yonge, and even then Adam Giambrone said the city might consider the DRL one day but only after Transit City was finished.

I should mention that Doug Ford had some really bizarre remarks at the Eglinton Connects meeting.

He was criticizing the fact that the underground part of the Eglinton Crosstown had wider stop spacing than the bus and that people had to walk to the nearest station. He seemed to criticize underground transit. All this seemingly contradicted his support for subways. Very strange and completely unrelated to Eg Connects.

Doug and Rob lose it a little bit more each day.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

The point is it wasn't in ANY city plan. Toronto only half-cared in reaction to York Region pushing Yonge, and even then Adam Giambrone said the city might consider the DRL one day but only after Transit City was finished.

Doug and Rob lose it a little bit more each day.

No the point is the province is the one who ultimately holds the purse strings and could have done something then. Miller has been gone for nearly 5 years. It's time to build and stop the talking.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Motion results for Eglinton Connects, from this link:

Vote (Adopt Item as Amended) Jul-11-2014 3:32 PM​ Result: Carried Majority Required - PG34.1 - Adopt the item as amended Yes: 26 Paul Ainslie, Maria Augimeri, Ana Bailão, Michelle Berardinetti, Shelley Carroll, Raymond Cho, Vincent Crisanti, Janet Davis, Glenn De Baeremaeker, Sarah Doucette, Paula Fletcher, Norman Kelly, Mike Layton, Chin Lee, Peter Leon, Gloria Lindsay Luby, Josh Matlow, Mary-Margaret McMahon, Joe Mihevc, Frances Nunziata (Chair), Cesar Palacio, John Parker, Gord Perks, Anthony Perruzza, Ceta Ramkhalawansingh, Michael Thompson No: 7 John Filion, Doug Ford, Rob Ford, Mark Grimes, Jaye Robinson, David Shiner, Kristyn Wong-Tam Absent: 12 Josh Colle, Gary Crawford, Mike Del Grande, Frank Di Giorgio, Mary Fragedakis, James Maloney, Giorgio Mammoliti, Pam McConnell, Denzil Minnan-Wong, Ron Moeser, James Pasternak, Karen Stintz