AlvinofDiaspar
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Still, it's hard to believe that the province would have thought that the DRL was a bad idea
The very fact that it didn't crop up in big move is a pretty clue that they didn't, from a political perspective.
AoD
Still, it's hard to believe that the province would have thought that the DRL was a bad idea
The very fact that it didn't crop up in big move is a pretty clue that they didn't, from a political perspective.
AoD
The DRL? It was in the original 2008 Big Move.The very fact that it didn't crop up in big move is a pretty clue that they didn't, from a political perspective.
I didn't assign blame to Miller for anything in my post. I blamed you for saying we never had money.Have you even managed a chequebook before? 8 billion gets as the DRL, and that's all. Transit city was a good plan which covered most of the city. Enough of you saying the same thing in every single post and blaming just him for something both the province and city were responsible for.
Um, yes, that's exactly what it was. As long as council approved, the province repeatedly said we could spend it on transit however we wanted.The $8 Billion has always been controlled by the province. The city was welcome to provide its input, but the province has always had the final say. It is not like a big pile of cash that the city could spend on anything it liked.
Where the DRL was in the Big Move (lowest priority) was a reflection of the city's view of the DRL. I think the province was generally indifferent.The very fact that it didn't crop up in big move is a pretty clue that they didn't, from a political perspective.
AoD
Wrong. When the city saw where it was in the Big Move, they passed a motion - under Miller, asking the province to increase the priority and have it completed by 2023. We did discuss that in the DRL thread at the time, I believe.Where the DRL was in the Big Move (lowest priority) was a reflection of the city's view of the DRL. I think the province was generally indifferent.
That was 2010, was it not? I'm talking before that.Wrong. When the city saw where it was in the Big Move, they passed a motion - under Miller, asking the province to increase the priority and have it completed by 2023. We did discuss that in the DRL thread at the time, I believe.
I';m hoping so, I've been pushing for it (as ehlow can tell you ) but it's not a metrolinx' prioirty right now. Someone called the UPX the UP yours express on Steve Munro's blogIf the crosstown goes to the airport, there's no need
The very fact that it didn't crop up in big move is a pretty clue that they didn't, from a political perspective.
AoD
Or maybe it's because we've been pushing for Transit City since the end of the last decade. The province didn't impose Transit City on us, it was chosen by the last administration and this current council. After Transit City and the "one time cheque" they were willing to hand to Toronto, there was no money left for just Toronto. Politically, they have to build elsewhere as well which is why they will go ahead with the GO RER and other regional projects. We'll be lucky if there's anything left for Toronto for another decade or 2
The DRL? It was in the original 2008 Big Move.
Or are we talking about something else.
I didn't assign blame to Miller for anything in my post. I blamed you for saying we never had money.
And no, I've never managed a chequebook with $8 billion in it. Must be nice.
Um, yes, that's exactly what it was. As long as council approved, the province repeateedly said we could spend it on transit however we wanted.
Where the DRL was in the Big Move (lowest priority) was a reflection of the city's view of the DRL. I think the province was generally indifferent.
Find the link nfitz, because DRL only moved up from the 25 year layout to the 15 year(projects coming) recently.Wrong. When the city saw where it was in the Big Move, they passed a motion - under Miller, asking the province to increase the priority and have it completed by 2023. We did discuss that in the DRL thread at the time, I believe.
It was on January 27, 2009. This was less than 2 months after the Ontario government announced it was in the 25-year plan. This was the very first opportunity for council to address the issue after it was released.That was 2010, was it not? I'm talking before that.
Much of the 4 Transit City lines would have been completed by now if Premier McGuinty hadn't have deferred them because of the budget deficit in 2010.The DRL was in the 25 year plan and got moved up. They were planning to build all of transit city first. Bad move now looking back.
Uh ... is it that difficult to go to the very first Executive Committee meeting after the Big Move was approved in late November 2008 and read the Agenda?Find the link nfitz, because DRL only moved up from the 25 year layout to the 15 year(projects coming) recently.
And Mcguinty has been gone for more than a year now. 2016 is way too late to start.Much of the 4 Transit City lines would have been completed by now if Premier McGuinty hadn't have deferred them because of the budget deficit in 2010.
So then the DRL stalling is on the back of the province then.Uh ... is it that difficult to go to the very first Executive Committee meeting after the Big Move was approved in late November 2008 and read the Agenda?
Big Move went out on November 28, 2008. The first EC meeting afterwards was January 5, 2009. Oh, and look what is on the agenda
Yonge Subway Extension - Environmental Assessment Submission and Project Update Presentation Item
Metrolinx be requested to prioritize the Downtown Relief Line within its 15-year plan ...
We did discuss this back in January 2009. A lot.
Well, and on the back of Stintz who was opposed to it, and did not push it at TTC until Byford set her straight years later.So then the DRL stalling is on the back of the province then.
Which meant about as much as council calling the DRL the city's highest transit priority in 2012. Nice symbolism, but not much more.It was on January 27, 2009. This was less than 2 months after the Ontario government announced it was in the 25-year plan. This was the very first opportunity for council to address the issue after it was released.
So what? Nothing was irreversible or set in stone in 2009.And that was not reality. We didn't have money on the DRL because we already committed to transit city.
City formally requested Province to reclassify it. The province in the very first review of the Big Move, did change it's priority. Do you see ANY other projects in the big move that had their priority increased? Here's the list of changes. The only other thing in the list of 60 or so projects that got promoted was the electrification of the UPX. Several got downgraded from the 15-year plan to the 25-year plan!Which meant about as much as council calling the DRL the city's highest transit priority in 2012. Nice symbolism, but not much more.
We shall see. Less than ten years left to qualify for the 15-year plan.In the meantime, even Metrolinx had started studying the DRL.
So a lot more than symbolism.