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Sheppard Line 4 Subway Extension (Proposed)

denfromoakvillemilton said:
If they took a beating over e-health and won, this is nothing. These people won;t vote for the leaderless PCs.
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PCs will have a new leader by the next election date, and that one may be more successful than Hudak.

If Liberals screwed up on the gas plant and e-health, and got away with it, it does not mean they will not try to avoid more screw-ups.
 
denfromoakvillemilton said:
It does because its a new plan. It costs zero to go back to the SRT. Are you going to tell me Chow is wrong on this? It matters because they won't lose the riding if people don't care. And please that by election had nothing to do with the subway. Straight out of Wynne's mouth unless you have some insider info we don't know about. Man, you don't know politics well to be saying it won't happen. m
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The minority Liberals prefer subway since it means winning valuable seats. A majority Liberal prefers LRT since the cost are lower and more certain. If the City prefers LRT (i.e. the Mayor and Councillors - who really cares about the public), then the Liberals will not put in an extra penny (sorry nickel) to get a subway since they can blame it on the will of the City. Plus, they can afford to lose a seat or two - which they probably won't anyway since Toronto will vote Liberal regardless of what happens.
 
Rainforest said:
PCs will have a new leader by the next election date, and that one may be more successful than Hudak.

If Liberals screwed up on the gas plant and e-health, and got away with it, it does not mean they will not try to avoid more screw-ups.
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After 10 years government always has screw ups. That's the life cycle.

BurlOak said:
The minority Liberals prefer subway since it means winning valuable seats. A majority Liberal prefers LRT since the cost are lower and more certain. If the City prefers LRT (i.e. the Mayor and Councillors - who really cares about the public), then the Liberals will not put in an extra penny (sorry nickel) to get a subway since they can blame it on the will of the City. Plus, they can afford to lose a seat or two - which they probably won't anyway since Toronto will vote Liberal regardless of what happens.
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Bingo. Plus the subway has the stench of ford's influence.
 
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denfromoakvillemilton said:
After 10 years government always has screw ups. That's the life cycle.



Bingo. Plus the subway has the stench of ford's influence.
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And converting one line from LRT to subway makes it so much more difficult to convince other neighbourhoods/areas that LRT is a good transit choice/option. I would imagine the Liberal government will do nothing pro-active to convert back to LRT (let sleeping dogs lie and all that) but would be very "co-operative" if a pro-LRT mayor/council came to them and asked them to convert back to LRT.
 
TOareaFan said:
And converting one line from LRT to subway makes it so much more difficult to convince other neighbourhoods/areas that LRT is a good transit choice/option. I would imagine the Liberal government will do nothing pro-active to convert back to LRT (let sleeping dogs lie and all that) but would be very "co-operative" if a pro-LRT mayor/council came to them and asked them to convert back to LRT.
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That too. Plus if Bloor Danforth is built, that makes it way more likely that Sheppard East (the subject of this thread) is built.
 
denfromoakvillemilton said:
And please that by election had nothing to do with the subway. Straight out of Wynne's mouth unless you have some insider info we don't know about.
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Are you kidding? It had EVERYTHING to do with the subway. The Liberals stage-managed that whole by-election around the switch from LRT to subway, no matter what came "straight out of Wynne's mouth".

denfromoakvillemilton said:
Plus if Bloor Danforth is built, that makes it way more likely that Sheppard East (the subject of this thread) is built.
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Way less likely. After appeasing Scarborough with a subway, there is no rationale for the Libs to give Scarborough a second, much more expensive, subway miracle. If anything the province might throw in some extra cash for B-D.
 
Rainforest said:
Strategically we should bite that bullet and give Scarborough one subway line, so they stop complaining about being left out become more supportive of transit projects elsewhere in the city.
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This sets a really bad precedent. If Scarborough gets to have a subway thanks to their whining, what's gonna stop everybody else from wanting it too? Yesterday it was North York. Today it's Scarborough. Tomorrow it could be Etobicoke. Should we give Etobicoke a Finch subway when they start crying for it? Because of this we end up with white elephants like the Sheppard subway, which costs a lot of money while doing little to solve our transportation issues, while the DRL continues to be delayed as long as possible. Everyone pretends how it's the number one priority, but guess which subway got fully funded by all levels of governments? Scarborough did, and if it goes through, it will not really be a victory for Scarborough residents as much as it will be a victory for the political opportunists, and for the liars who spewed garbage about LRTs.
 
GenerationW said:
Are you kidding? It had EVERYTHING to do with the subway. The Liberals stage-managed that whole by-election around the switch from LRT to subway, no matter what came "straight out of Wynne's mouth".

Way less likely. After appeasing Scarborough with a subway, there is no rationale for the Libs to give Scarborough a second, much more expensive, subway miracle. If anything the province might throw in some extra cash for B-D.
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If you don't believe fine, I was just showing her side. And yes it's likely, because some people just won't be happy with one subway. That's what some people here can't wrap their heads around for some reason. You give them an inch they take a mile. Stop with the tunnel vision already.

WislaHD said:
Maybe, but it will make SELRT less useful, traffic more unidirectional.

People aren't going to want to transfer from bus to SELRT to SRT to B-D to YUS to get downtown.
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If the Sheppard East Subway is completed, there will no SELRT.

salsa said:
This sets a really bad precedent. If Scarborough gets to have a subway thanks to their whining, what's gonna stop everybody else from wanting it too? Yesterday it was North York. Today it's Scarborough. Tomorrow it could be Etobicoke. Should we give Etobicoke a Finch subway when they start crying for it? Because of this we end up with white elephants like the Sheppard subway, which costs a lot of money while doing little to solve our transportation issues, while the DRL continues to be delayed as long as possible. Everyone pretends how it's the number one priority, but guess which subway got fully funded by all levels of governments? Scarborough did, and if it goes through, it will not really be a victory for Scarborough residents as much as it will be a victory for the political opportunists, and for the liars who spewed garbage about LRTs.
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Exactly.
 
denfromoakvillemilton said:
Bloor Danforth wasn't supposed to go to Sheppard but look what happened! Bloor Danforth sets a bad precedent!
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I'm not buying that argument.

Yes it sets an ugly precedent, but SELRT and SRT are different beasts. Subway plan isn't bad at all in place of the SRT and it doesn't cost much extra. Sheppard on the other hand has no where near the ridership demand and will cost an incredible amount of money that we don't have and if we did have, would go to the DRL. Sheppard will require the support of council and even if Ford got re-elected, no way council will go with the subway.

You know where the ugly precedent could re-appear in the future? Eglinton East and Eglinton West. If local Councillors start asking for it to be underground like in Midtown instead of "second-class in-median streetcar hogging my road", then we might see something happen. I hope Eglinton East at least is too far gone to change plans.
 
Solid Snake said:
The DRL is not a priority to her. It's LRT and buses and if Scarborough reverts back to LRT, the TTC will need thoses buses to replace the SRT
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Transit is a priority for Chow. That includes the DRL, Transit City, the Yonge extension, buses, and streetcars. She is leaving the priority to the TTC and likely Metrolinx.
 
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