what's real and what isn't
forgive me if i quote some other posters in a bit of a debunking exercise....
first some math
the average concert attendance as clearly stated by the project consultant is 4000 (multiply by 4/wk and 12 week season = 192000), with a few larger events to bring festival attendance total to between 250k to 300 k (similar to shaw)
using the 4000 figure, and assuming 25% of attendees are in notl for other reasons - wineries, shaw, historical/cultural, niagara falls, etc. - that leaves at most 3000 car arrivals (some may come by bus). with an average of 2.7/vehicle that would be an additional 1100 cars or so on average. compare that to:
from tim callighen
so that means about 5000 more cars into this small area for each performance.
Get ready to rumble.
i wonder where the 5000 cars per event came from - the ether???
or this:
from tim callighen
Is the TSO ready to have all of its performances picketed by angry NOTL residents?
are angry residents picketing shaw, or the hillebrand jazz or blues events, or jackson-triggs concerts, or canada day festivities in simcoe park....no, not really, we welcome visitors and happily host them in ontario's most historic town
or this:
from tim callighen
Do you think we believe all the public statments made (like no Carolinian forest will be cut down, etc.) when we who live here can see it's not possible to build this thing without massive reworking of the area and lots of trees being removed?
what about the current sewage lagoons, aeration ponds and the old tank range that covers a good 30% of the site and is merely scrubland. the carolinian forest hugs the lakeshore and part of shakespeare ave and is nowhere near the proposed amphitheatre site. in fact the project consultant specifically identified the natural and historic areas as being outside the scope of the project and extremely worthy of protection. have you any real knowledge of the site or are you just blowing smoke
or this:
from Tanglewood in my BackYard:
5 miles away in our high school park lot
the high school is 1 1/2 miles away
or this:
from Tanglewood in my BackYard:
The houses that border Project Niagara also border historic battleground of 1812 ("Old Army Land???).
again, the battleground is not part of the project, a fact made clear by the project consultant and local parks canada staffers in presentations and the press
or this:
from Tanglewood in my BackYard:
The NOTL Town Council may support the project but they have neglected to inform the residents who border the proposed site with any factual information or proposed site plan.
really - no information - the well publicized meeting with council was well publicized and well attended.
not to mention the fact that a
local neighbourhood resident sits on the national board overseeing the project,
a local neighbourhood resident sits on town council and
a local neighbourhood resident chairs the chamber committee formed concerning the project - why not ask them?
or this:
from Tanglewood in my BackYard:
How do they think the residents of Chautauqua (bordering Project Niagara) are going to feel if the can't get any facts or information on what's going on in their own backyards!!! Everyone's views must be heard.
a public meeting, scheduled for feb 19 was canceled due to conflicts with the family day holiday, and is being rescheduled asap, although the local residents association executive has already had a meeting with proponents
or this:
from Tanglewood in my BackYard:
a 4000 seat amphitheatre.....
250,000 people per season which equals The Shaw. This would potentially double the amount of tourists during the 12-15wks they are proposing to have the event open......
again, the covered amphtheatre is for 1800 t0 2000 as was clearly stated....and as only 1 in 10 notl visitors go to shaw a more accurate noumber for visitors to town is 3 million per year, so 250,000 symphony goers will hardly double the number of tourists
please try and refrain from posting bad facts and misinformed conclusions - it doesn't help your argument and simply makes you look nimbyish
this advice from:
marcus_a_j
If they are not going to you, then go to them. Give the local planners, councillors and mayor a call and request for info and to discuss your issues and concerns. Call TSO and whoever else might be involved in the project.
is right on the money. take some time to get properly informed. stop ranting on a site that has little to do with the reality of the project. what information there is can be had for the asking. don't believe everything you read in the papers.
and for goodness sakes don't let the facts get in the way of your argument....oops, sorry, you already don't
it might pay to remember that the project is still in the "feasibility study" phase, and a goodly amount of the info available is very general in nature.
