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OLG Toronto/GTA casino proposal (where to put it?)

sixrings said:
Actually I am quite sure when a DRL is proposed the downtown neighbourhoods which the line will go under will argue against the line since they dont want higher density in there close to downtown areas. Riverdale will not be big fans of having high density development which will come with the new DRL.
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Presumptuously speaking on behalf of Riverdale, I don't think it'll be as big a NIMBY issue as you believe. The part south of Pape Station will run underground to the already busy train tracks at Gerrard with a choice of two malls for constructing that stop (even possibly combining with a GO stop?), where it'll then follow the train tracks to appropriate stops either side of the Don. With the exception of a Dundas stop, there are parking lots or strip malls that can be repurposed for subway.
 
Here's a couple of numbers. Ontario has the second lowest per capita net profit from gaming out of all the provinces. Manitoba had a $266 net profit per capita whereas Ontario only had $149 per capita, which translates to about $1.8 billion total for Ontario. Restructuring and adding new casinos to the core may in fact increase our net profit per capita, lets say to Manitobas level of $266. This would in turn generate about $3.2 billion dollars in revenue. I'm not saying that it's guaranteed, but all other more profitable provinces have one thing in common...casinos in their metropolitan areas. Also we have to look at who is manning the fort now, Godfrey who has been a politician, a business man, sports owner, newspaper owner, a guy with a lot of credentials. Doing nothing would actually be a big mistake...nothing good ever came of "sitting on ones laurels".
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
I am not talking about the waterfront. I am talking about Sheppard .... Don't change the subject from the casino funding the subway lines to the appropriateness of a casino on the waterfront either - they are two different issues. And again, where are the numbers? Where is the case? Where's the selling?

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They are completely related. WAS FORD allowed to talk to ALL private developers???? No he wasnt. His experience on the waterfront showed him there was no use talking to casinos, cuz the lefty ideologues on council would shoot it down.

You keep saying Ford had a year to talk to the private sector. No he didnt. Private sector means ALL of the private sector. That includes private casinos, you know!
 
So now, subway lines can now only be funded if there are casino(s)? Did he even suggest that in his campaign and numerous engagements in the public that private sector casinos are required for his scheme? Not to mention, the whole notion of casinos in Toronto is a matter of provincial jurisdiction in the first place - and it's one that didn't come up until the last month or two as per the OLG report. So are you saying that his worship is incompetent enough to premise his promises on things that he had no jurisdiction and clue about? Seriously, your moving goalposts are getting more illogical and ludicrous by the moment, what's next, we need brothels in Scarborough to fund subways?

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Riverdale Rink Rat said:
Presumptuously speaking on behalf of Riverdale, I don't think it'll be as big a NIMBY issue as you believe.
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I think a lot of the residents here will welcome the increased mobility of having a subway station nearby. And I wouldn't count on the inevitability of high density development near the stations. Just look at Danforth -- I live near Chester, which has a single-family house next door. Almost all the BD stations in this area have low-rise or mid-rise buildings around them, and almost none that I know of have seen huge increases in building over the years.
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
Well, you are the one who come up with that "solution", surely you can back up your claim? Why should I do the work for you as the proponent of said solution? You are the one trying to make the case - to sell your product, so to say. By asking me for the proof of your case, you are basically saying a customer should be the one demonstrating the superiority of a seller's product. That's ass-backward "logic".


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Well, you are the one who come up with the opposition to that solution, surely you can back up your opposition? I'm not aksing you to come up with proof that the solution works, I'm asking you to prove that it wont work.

Why? Because you claim it wont work. So you need to prove that it wont.

That guy is expressing an opinion on a blog .. he's saying it will work. You're expressing an opinion on a public forum, you say it wont work. Burden of proof for your repsective positions is on BOTH you guys, not just on him!
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
So now, subway lines can now only be funded if there are casino(s)? Did he even suggest that in his campaign and numerous engagements in the public that private sector casinos are required for his scheme? Not to mention, the whole notion of casinos in Toronto is a matter of provincial jurisdiction in the first place -
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Sigh.

When you give Ford the go-ahead to engage the private sector, he assumes that means the WHOLE PRIVATE SECTOR. Then the waterfront brouhaha shows him that no, he better not engage casinos cuz he'll generate another reptilian frenzy among the nutcases.

No he didnt mention casinos cuz when they gave him the go ahead to engage the private sector, he assumed they meant the whole private sector. As any reasonable person would assume.

THEY moved the goalposts on him, by pulling the casino option right off the tabel. Lotta Chinese people live in Scarborough, they'd LOVE a casino there!
 
MadMax said:
Here's a couple of numbers. Ontario has the second lowest per capita net profit from gaming out of all the provinces.
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Here's some more facts -- last year Ontario actually lost money on its large "resort casinos" (e.g., Casino Niagara).

Also, don't conflate what OLG earns with what the "host cities" of casinos earn -- OLG usually strikes a deal for a standard license fee paid each year to the hosting city, which is only a few million dollars. Regardless of its other impacts, a casino will not directly make the City of Toronto a huge amount of money to spend on transit.
 
I never mentioned that casinos could fund transit whatsover, I said that the province needs to do something to raise our per capita profit for gaming. Status quo is unnaceptable. Funding for transportation could come as a spin-off from the new casinos which could come from many different sources including the private sector. It would get the ball rolling so to speak. You fail to see that.
 
MadMax said:
I never mentioned that casinos could fund transit whatsover, I said that the province needs to do something to raise our per capita profit for gaming. Status quo is unnaceptable. Funding for transportation could come as a spin-off from the new casinos which could come from many different sources including the private sector. It would get the ball rolling so to speak. You fail to see that.
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What I fail to see is your numbers on how building additional casinos would increase per capita profit for gaming. A new GTA casino could very well just siphon off existing gaming at Rama and Niagara. What are the actual estimates for increased gaming profits for a new casino?
 
And for him to claim that not building subways in Scarborough is racist. I wonder what credentials he got to make that statement on behalf of the Chinese population at large.

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How about we build it over the rail yard at Union?
The air space over the tracks is wasted. You could attach it to Union station and the ACC. You could link it to the path and dozens of hotels and entertainment facilities. You could use it to create a new connection to the lake as well.

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I don't know...all I know is that we have the second lowest profit in all of Canada. Why would that be? How are we different than all of the other provinces and why are they so much more profitable than we are? Are there more gamblers there? No. The only conclusion that I can come up with is that all other provinces in this country have the same thing in common...except for one and that is big casinos in their city cores. Why not give it a try? What do we have to honestly lose? It's high time the province did something at a time when extra cash is king, and sitting and watching on the sidelines won't accomplish anything.
 
jaycola:

Probably more expensive than using Ontario Place/Ex - plus it will restrict how the Union Station is used in the future.

MadMax:

As someone who is supportive of a casino in Toronto for reasons other than general revenue haul (i.e. more for tourism and additional attractions) - I think we need to be very careful about tying that project to infrastructure improvements - it can help, but it's not a magic bullet some would assume that it is. And whether we like it or not, there will be negative consequences for the surrounding communities AND society as a whole - the question is whether it is worthwhile overall. I think so, but it is something that requires scrutiny.

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