jayme2016
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The scary thing is the numbers are much higher as Ontario has cut back on testing.
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Novel Coronavirus COVID-19 (nCoV-2019)
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The scary thing is the numbers are much higher as Ontario has cut back on testing.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Listen to what the Ozzies have to say:
Victoria's contact-tracing effort buckles under the weight of Covid-19 cases
ANU’s Peter Collignon says what’s important now is making sure people who test positive stay at home
www.theguardian.com
They were dealing with smaller daily increases than we are experiencing now. Pretending that we can still be "business as usual" when you have 1/2 the new cases with no known epilink because "we can do contract tracing" is BS.
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jayme2016
Active Member
A complete lockdown only for Toronto and Peel won't be sufficient - at a minimum it should be GTA wide. But given the profiles of courage provincially, fat chance of that happening - we'd rather be spending time talking about McDonald fries. And oh look:
Ed Tubb
@EdTubb
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Ontario is reporting a new high of 1,426 new COVID-19 cases Wed. The 7-day avg. is
to a new high of 1,217 cases/day or 59 cases weekly per 100,000. 15 deaths new deaths, w. a 7-day avg. of 13.3/day. The province is also reporting 5.1% positivity. https://data.ontario.ca/dataset/status
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You can't just lock down the GTA all of Ontario has to be locked down.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Northern Ontario is probably in a better position than we are. Ontario is a large province that doesn't necessarily require the uniform policies across the board; but doing it by municipality/region in obvious hot zones (like the GTHA) is just stupid.
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gabe
Senior Member
Yep, i was just about to say that. People from red zones are traveling outside their own regions spreading covid, previously green zones like Halton and Wellington County, now have accelerating numbers of cases and have been moved to yellow.
And people are traveling to the other zones. I saw someone on my facebook feed from Toronto, having an indoor dinner at the Keg on the weekend.
jayme2016
Active Member
Places like Thunder Bay etc are far enough away but the Ottawa-Gta-London should all be shut down.
jayme2016
Active Member
We have a choice shut it down or set up police check points.
picard102
Senior Member
I don't think you realize how many check points would be necessary to contain people in the GTA, let alone Toronto.
Diwali is this weekend, so short of police going door to door, there will be large family gatherings.
Diwali is this weekend, so short of police going door to door, there will be large family gatherings.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
It can be done - like Melbourne did:
'Ring of steel': Melbourne residents face $5,000 fines for trying to flee to regional Victoria
Authorities introduce offence of ‘leaving a restricted area’ as state’s rural areas relax restrictions
www.theguardian.com
Not pretty, but it worked.
As to Diwali (or violation of any public gathering rules in general) - enforcement doesn't have to be universal; it only need to be harsh and visible. You can't catch everyone - but you can bias the punishment/reward scale so that the risk of getting caught outweigh the benefit. Do we have the guts to do that? I doubt the province does.
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picard102
Senior Member
Short of the death penalty, you're not going to dissuade people from celebrating holidays together.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
I think $5K and/or 30 days in jail would be sufficient - the most important thing is that you have to publicize a sufficient number of these violations non-anonymously.
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Richard White
Senior Member
$5000 is not much really. Make it a mandatory $50000 or $100000 then we are talking seriously.
tripwire
Active Member
I've always hated flat fee fines. Make it a progressive percentage of your income.
jayme2016
Active Member
It worked in Quebec.
Richard White
Senior Member
There needs to be an Ontario Works tie-in here. If you are on government assistance (other than disability) and caught violating public health guidelines than your assistance should be revoked. It would be an incentive.
That's just my two cents.