News   Jun 28, 2024
 4.9K     6 
News   Jun 28, 2024
 2K     3 
News   Jun 28, 2024
 694     1 

New Transit Funding Sources

My preference is Dundas West to Eglinton via Downtown, DW is a good place for a hub.

My guess is that we should focus on the Eglinton/Don Mills to downtown section (possibly to Spadina/King) first. I think that a second phase to Sheppard/Don Mills ought to go ahead of the western section. The reason being that expanded GO train service on the Lakeshore and Georgetown/Milton lines would do a really good job of serving the Liberty Village area and Dundas West; whereas I am skeptical of the usefulness of expanding the Richmond Hill line because its winding alignment is inconveniently located and practically useless for serving developments along the #25 Don Mills bus.

Hopefully Metrolinx will realize that the Sheppard LRT makes absolutely no sense if the downtown relief line is extended up to Sheppard. If the downtown relief line ever gets extended that far then extending the Sheppard subway east makes far more sense than it would without the downtown relief line.
 
My understanding is that Dundas West to Pape is the preferred alignment. the DRL ridership study determined that the western portion relieved the Yonge line just as much as the portion to Eglinton, and has more side benefits. The PDF on bigmove.ca says that the line will be about 13km long, which is the distance of a route from Dundas West to Pape along King.
 
Last edited:
My understanding is that Dundas West to Pape is the preferred alignment. the DRL ridership study determined that the western portion relieved the Yonge line just as much as the portion to Eglinton, and has more side benefits. The PDF on bigmove.ca says that the line will be about 13km long, which is the distance of a route from Dundas West to Pape along King.

This is all supposed to be done by 2025 they say?


They should use richmond adelaide downtown though, no need to disrupt the streetcars for 10 years
 
http://www.thestar.com/business/eco...ly_congestion_is_a_solvable_crisis_olive.html

.....

Metrolinx, the umbrella group for confronting GTA traffic congestion, estimates the cost of gridlock at a staggering $6 billion in lost productivity alone. Queen’s Park collects close to $1 billion in fuel taxes, vehicle license fees and other levies — funds not available to the municipalities that actually maintain our roads, bridges and public transit.

- These costs are a misallocation of our limited social resources that should be spent on more and better health care, education, affordable housing and daycare spaces, culture and recreation facilities and other contributors to higher quality of life.

- How did we get here? Our complacent city and Queen’s Park have chronically underinvested in transportation for generations. We stopped adding to our network of 400 superhighways, the Don Valley Parkway and the Gardiner Expressway so long ago that perhaps one-third of GTA residents weren’t alive when those now congested arteries were built. And on rapid transit, which we expanded by 135 kilometres a decade in the 1960s to the 1980s, we’ve added nothing consequential in recent decades.

Fortunately, congestion is a solvable crisis.

• “The Big Move,†a $50-billion megaproject overseen by Metrolinx, and the most ambitious urban transportation upgrading of its kind on the continent, is underway. If properly funded beyond the $16 billion allocated so far, The Big Move promises to cut commuting times by one-third; accommodate 50 per cent more people in the GTA with less gridlock than we currently endure by The Big Move’s targeted 2031 completion, despite a projected 56 per cent increase in the GTA’s population over that period; increase rush-hour service by an upgraded GO Rail; provide six times the GTA’s current number of bike lanes and walking and cycling trails; and cut greenhouse gas emissions by a stunning 50 per cent, reducing both “smog days†and the GTA’s complicity in global warming.

• Our social customs are changing. Young people, especially, have for several years been opting for alternatives to motorized vehicles, which, if you fall into the highest-risk category of males aged 16 to 34, can mean an annual $4,000 annual insurance bill. And the rise of social networking, by means of text messaging, Skype and so on, makes motorized-vehicle operation even more of a false luxury.

• We are also making liberal use of best practices worldwide. Cities similarly afflicted with gridlock are innovating with everything from a hefty tax to buy a car (hyper-congested Singapore); reduction of inner-city parking space (Hamburg, Copenhagen and elsewhere); and restricted hours for vehicle use in selected districts (Bogota, Rome). There are even more futurist notions afoot, such as the European Union’s call for vehicle-free inner cities by mid-century, and the ambition of some governments to design and build car-free cities from scratch.

.....



401gridlock.jpg.size.xxlarge.promo.jpg
 
The problem, as I have stated before, is not that people are not, at least begrudgingly, willing to hand over a reasonable amount for improved mobility but rather that they don't trust the politicians, Metrolinx, the TTC, or bureaucrats to spend the money wisely. Toronto also has a truly stellar reputation of building everything over budget and not on time.

Although the report which emphasises the importance of money going directly towards transportation and not into a general slush fund {a la Translink} is a good one it is still not enough. Metrolinx and the local politicians have no credibility at all. They have proven themselves to be completely incompetent on the transportation file and the public antipathy towards them is extremely well deserved. Even if they are guaranteed that this or that will be built nobody will expect it to be done on time. people in Toronto have waited decades for improvements in their transit system and their patience is not wearing thin but is rather completely gone.

Yes, things take time to build but seem to take much longer in Toronto than anywhere else. The old mantra of "give us your money and we promise to be responsible" no longer is sellable to Torontonians. This is part of the reason why Ford got elected..............people saw their taxes continually go up but their QOL decline and the the "city that works" has become the "city that stumbles along". Despite it's youthful nature, Toronto has grown old before it's time.

People will only support a tax if they see the results at the exact same time the tax starts. Yes, they know that infrastructure takes time to build but much of that money raised will be used for operations and this is where Metrolinx can show that it really means what it says this time. The best example would be for all GO fares in the city to be wiped out and a standard TTC fare /pass gets you onto any GO train/bus service within the city limits. That should include the UPX. If this is too expensive they could add a base $1 fare for GO fare or a combined TTC/GO pass for an extra $20 month for example.

Metrolinx and her political masters have no no respect from the travelling public and in order for a series of taxes to be accepted by the public it must include an immediate improvement in service or it's a no go.
 
The problem, as I have stated before, is not that people are not, at least begrudgingly, willing to hand over a reasonable amount for improved mobility but rather that they don't trust the politicians, Metrolinx, the TTC, or bureaucrats to spend the money wisely. Toronto also has a truly stellar reputation of building everything over budget and not on time.

Although the report which emphasises the importance of money going directly towards transportation and not into a general slush fund {a la Translink} is a good one it is still not enough. Metrolinx and the local politicians have no credibility at all. They have proven themselves to be completely incompetent on the transportation file and the public antipathy towards them is extremely well deserved. Even if they are guaranteed that this or that will be built nobody will expect it to be done on time. people in Toronto have waited decades for improvements in their transit system and their patience is not wearing thin but is rather completely gone.

Yes, things take time to build but seem to take much longer in Toronto than anywhere else. The old mantra of "give us your money and we promise to be responsible" no longer is sellable to Torontonians. This is part of the reason why Ford got elected..............people saw their taxes continually go up but their QOL decline and the the "city that works" has become the "city that stumbles along". Despite it's youthful nature, Toronto has grown old before it's time.

People will only support a tax if they see the results at the exact same time the tax starts. Yes, they know that infrastructure takes time to build but much of that money raised will be used for operations and this is where Metrolinx can show that it really means what it says this time. The best example would be for all GO fares in the city to be wiped out and a standard TTC fare /pass gets you onto any GO train/bus service within the city limits. That should include the UPX. If this is too expensive they could add a base $1 fare for GO fare or a combined TTC/GO pass for an extra $20 month for example.

Metrolinx and her political masters have no no respect from the travelling public and in order for a series of taxes to be accepted by the public it must include an immediate improvement in service or it's a no go.

Here it is. Things will either change now or Toronto will stay the same and will lose out on so much because it's citizens could not agree on making this city better.
 
It mentions new stouffville service.. any idea when and how that will be implemented? the next schedule update should be January 1st, right?
 
Who decides these prices anyway?
Can can they justify $4.63 to the CNE when getting all the way to Rouge Hill is $5.38, three times the distance?
 
Who decides these prices anyway?
Can can they justify $4.63 to the CNE when getting all the way to Rouge Hill is $5.38, three times the distance?

96% of GO train users start at or end at Union.

That $4.63 passenger takes just as much space for the entire train run (Union to Aldershot) as a $9.57 Aldershot passenger. In rush-hour, when there are no empty seats, the cost of the CNE rider is likely closer to $8 because another higher paying passenger to Oakville or beyond does not get on.


TTC has almost the exact opposite problem due to it's flat-rate structure. Short-trips and high passenger turnover is their friend.
 
Last edited:
96% of GO train users start at or end at Union.

That $4.63 passenger takes just as much space for the entire train run (Union to Aldershot) as a $9.57 Aldershot passenger. In rush-hour, when there are no empty seats, the cost of the CNE rider is likely closer to $8 because another higher paying passenger to Oakville or beyond does not get on.


TTC has almost the exact opposite problem due to it's flat-rate structure. Short-trips and high passenger turnover is their friend.

For comparison purposes, how much would a single midway ride at the CNE cost a person?

Swing_Midway_Ride.jpg
 
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...es_corporate_gas_taxes_to_fund_expansion.html

Anne Golden says she and her panel of experts have landed on the elusive solution to transit funding in the Toronto region.

While Golden wouldn’t cite specifics, Toronto Star sources say a gas tax, corporate tax and land-value capture will be in the mix when the province’s Transit Investment Strategy Advisory Panel releases its recommendations on Dec. 12.

Road tolls and a regional sales tax aren’t part of the plan.

In a key departure from the transit investment strategy released by Metrolinx in May , the panel headed by Golden will also endorse debt financing as a way to build the big-ticket projects identified in the Big Move regional transportation plan, including the relief line in Toronto and Mississauga’s Hurontario LRT.
 

Back
Top