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GO Transit: Union Station Shed Replacement & Track Upgrades (Zeidler)
drum118
Superstar
Nope!!
If you visit the headhouse or look at it from the convention centre today, only track 11 and 12 roof is being worked on at this time.
The plan calls for taking 2 tracks out of service to do all the work including the placement of the glass canopy over those tracks until you get to track 1 and 2.
The last of the glass canopy is schedule to be done late 2015.
There is a lot of unseen work taking place before the glass canopy can be install. Its has almost been 1 year just doing track 11-12 and that saying 6 years of construction for the whole thing. A few surprises have shown up and that delays the schedules.
The project is behind schedule by a year or more, that saw the addition of the crane to the project to speed things up so it get it back on schedule.
canarob
Senior Member
I wonder if the plan would be to build it in sections so that the current GO bus terminal could remain open (there is no way this could be closed given the pasenger volumes)? The parking lot behind the Federal building is pretty narrow for what would be a major bus terminal.
In any case, it's reassuring to hear that this is still being talked about. It would be great if a better connection to union could also be incorporated (undergound to the new Union concourse?).
drum118
Superstar
The Bremner plan is a dumb idea, and it will be an operation nightmare where it connects to the existing tunnel under ACC. The line will go underground in front of ACC, which will have an impact on that area. The real problem is getting the cars onto and off the existing tunnel tracks when more cars will be using that tunnel after the extension to the QQ line east is done. This includes improvement of the existing service also.
Not only are you going to have more cars going east on the new QQ line for the Waterfront development, you are going to get some 504 cars running from Broadview Station by Cherry St. Maybe a few 501's also.
TTC wants to bring a Bathurst and Spadina cars along this Bremmer line.
Until TTC finds the money to build the mickey mouse new loop that only good for today ridership, not 2040, this line is dead.
As for the bus terminal, TTC has declare this as surplus land and being turn over to Built Toronto for sale. The Bus terminal days are number and could be gone within the next 10 years.
Where the new terminal is to be located has yet to be decided, with 120 Harbour location being the front runner, not the STQ site. This relocation has been poorly plan and looked at for decades.
The amount of ridership coming in from Long Branch will be very small to the point of having long headways.
Not only are you going to have more cars going east on the new QQ line for the Waterfront development, you are going to get some 504 cars running from Broadview Station by Cherry St. Maybe a few 501's also.
TTC wants to bring a Bathurst and Spadina cars along this Bremmer line.
Until TTC finds the money to build the mickey mouse new loop that only good for today ridership, not 2040, this line is dead.
As for the bus terminal, TTC has declare this as surplus land and being turn over to Built Toronto for sale. The Bus terminal days are number and could be gone within the next 10 years.
Where the new terminal is to be located has yet to be decided, with 120 Harbour location being the front runner, not the STQ site. This relocation has been poorly plan and looked at for decades.
The amount of ridership coming in from Long Branch will be very small to the point of having long headways.
toraerach
Active Member
I hope I'm not the only one who thinks that the original terminal building fronting Bay should be preserved in some meaningful fashion.
Maybe the hall of the terminal building in some form, but the bus shed has nothing significant about it.
Automation Gallery
Superstar
unimaginative2
Senior Member
I have a copy of an old report about sites for a new bus terminal, including one as BMO describes. It was to be on multiple levels and it would be partly built into the rail corridor. As GO buses are hopefully steadily replaced by trains, GO will require less bus terminal space at Union.
Dan416
Senior Member
Milton has the most buses, and I don't see the vast majority of them being replaced by trains any time soon.
DavidH
Senior Member
Absolutely; it played a major role in "Adventures in Babysitting" so it's clearly historical.
adma
Superstar
The bus shed's "significant" as part of the total package, so to speak (and unlike the Bush sheds, it's "architecturally integrated"). All in all, if you want the early-30s "intercity coach terminal" experience, it's an essential element (though I regret that the original brick pavers were replaced by Unilockers).
As far as "preservation in some meaningful form goes": lest we forget, it all *was* "preserved in some meaningful form" already, some two decades ago (yes, acknowledgment and selective restoration of heritage qualities played a part in the reno-rehab)
Nads Gone Bads
Banned
4 years seems like an awfully long time to complete the shed and glass canopy.
vegeta_skyline
Senior Member
Nothing is quick when it comes to projects connected to transit.
Ed Drass
Active Member
Is there a public art component of the revitalization project, or does the 1%-for-art apply only to new construction?
-ed
PS: Design in Brussels transit stations: http://www.bxel.net/metro.html
-ed
PS: Design in Brussels transit stations: http://www.bxel.net/metro.html
EnviroTO
Senior Member
The 1% rule is applied to TTC projects. The Union station makover on the TTC side does contain a new theme and art piece. I'm not sure all city projects include the same budget.