GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

[ssiguy2]

I have still yet to get an answer as to how GO/Metrolinx is affording all of this. These are off-peak increases which means much lower ridership per vehicle. It's nice that there are more GO options but all of this requires money and I have yet to figure out how exactly they are paying for these huge increases in frequency.

 

[mdrejhon]

For sure. I'm hoping the Mt Pleasant service will be a boon to Brampton, which has lower income residents without cars who need access to downtown for jobs. I so agree with you about Hamilton, they also need it and I hope commuter can start looking at hamilton to live as the prices are so much lower than other places.

Property prices are on a meteoric rise, though. Some Hamilton neighbourhoods have increased 50% in less than 3 years. Still much cheaper than Toronto, though.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

I have still yet to get an answer as to how GO/Metrolinx is affording all of this. These are off-peak increases which means much lower ridership per vehicle. It's nice that there are more GO options but all of this requires money and I have yet to figure out how exactly they are paying for these huge increases in frequency.

This is solely political pressure. GO needs something to show for before the election.

Property prices are on a meteoric rise, though. Some Hamilton neighbourhoods have increased 50% in less than 3 years. Still much cheaper than Toronto, though.

Inner Hamilton is getting a lot of Toronto people lol. It's nice. Hamilton still needs to fix its nightlife.

As it's now 2017 what are the major service improvements we expect to be implemented this year?

https://swanboatsteve.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/rer-rollout-details.pdf

Earlier this year off peak service to Mt Pleasant should be completed. And Barrie will start weekend service. Later this year/ early next year, weekday off peak to Mt Joy on the stouffville line, and weekday service to Barrie on the barrie line. In 2018-19, weekend off peak to Mt Joy. And extra service on Lakeshore.

I think something has to be done for Richmond Hill and Milton too. Cough up the money.

Exciting times.

 

[steveintoronto]

https://swanboatsteve.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/rer-rollout-details.pdf

Earlier this year off peak service to Mt Pleasant should be completed. And Barrie will start weekend service. Later this year/ early next year, weekday off peak to Mt Joy on the stouffville line, and weekday service to Barrie on the barrie line. In 2018-19, weekend off peak to Mt Joy. And extra service on Lakeshore.

I can't make sense of that chart at least as it pertains to Kitchener.
"28 Weekend" for this year to Kitchener? Huh?

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

I can't make sense of that chart at least as it pertains to Kitchener.
"28 Weekend" for this year to Kitchener? Huh?

28 weekend trains in the 2016-17 fiscal year. Mt Pleasant is getting 28 weekend trains and evening weekday daily service in april, which is the end of the fiscal year.

 

[steveintoronto]

28 weekend trains in the 2016-17 fiscal year. Mt Pleasant is getting 28 weekend trains and evening weekday daily service in april, which is the end of the fiscal year.

I hope you're right, I'd like to see a news release on that, can't find one, but if there is, it contradicts this:

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

I hope you're right, I'd like to see a news release on that, can't find one, but if there is, it contradicts this:

View attachment 94959

That's a chart by steve munro based on the campaign announcements, which is also what the photo you posted is based on. It's legit.

Mt Pleasant is assumed hourly and bramlea is still 15 min. You're looking at the pic like "midday" is for the top and "evening" is for the bottom. Those times on the pic mean on midday, evening and weekends, trains run to Mt Pleasant every 60 and will run via RER to Bramlaea every min off peak.

 

[TransitBart]

That's a chart by steve munro based on the campaign announcements, which is also what the photo you posted is based on. It's legit

If the "chart" you are referring to is the graphic showing the frequencies of trips above, then that is actually a Metrolinx graphic published to explain their plans on a number of occasions. Although Steve Munro published it, he is not the author.

There are one (or more) versions for each corridor explaining the all-day and weekend frequencies and the distance from Union that electrification is planned.

 

[steveintoronto]

If the "chart" you are referring to is the graphic showing the frequencies of trips above, then that is actually a Metrolinx graphic published to explain their plans on a number of occasions. Although Steve Munro published it, he is not the author.

There are one (or more) versions for each corridor explaining the all-day and weekend frequencies and the distance from Union that electrification is planned.

What I posted was from an RER projection. Den may be correct, but I'm such a dyed in the wool cynic that I want to see an actual announcement. What Den posts is approaching two years old, complete with disclaimers:
[Notes:
1
Potential service extensions are excluded from the totals.
2
The service plan is subject to change/refinement, and all service changes require CN/CP and Metrolinx Board approval. Opportunities to increase the number of revenue trips (e.g., counterpeak ) are being explored
[...]
Potential new service improvements by 2020 include:
[...]

"Potential". I'd love Den's claim to be the case. Anyone able to verify with a link or reference? April is just in time for weekend bike on GO train escape west to Mt. Pleasant and then west or north from there.

 

[TransitBart]

What I posted was from an RER projection. Den may be correct, but I'm such a dyed in the wool cynic that I want to see an actual announcement. What Den posts is approaching two years old, complete with disclaimers:

I think all of us would like to see a plan which states clearly that THIS will happen on SUCH-and-SUCH a date. Picking up on something I said elsewhere, any management group that does not know WHAT result it is delivering, and WHEN is not worth its salt.

The minimum expectation from the travelling public - it being a new year, for example - should be a clear announcement of the improvements which will come into service between now and 180 days out. Perhaps another on June 15 for the last half of the year. Why the opening of Gormley GO was announced seven days before it opened and why this style of communication persists, makes me concerned about Metrolinx and project management. I wonder if the senoir management of Metrolinx knows what service changes will be made in the next ninety days?

The communication style irritates me and I believe a large number of readers here.

 

[steveintoronto]

The communication style irritates me and I believe a large number of readers here.

I don't think you'll get much disagreement on that point!

A lot of 'theorizing' is presented to the public to evoke 'love and devotion' to our Dear Leaders. The downside is that when it's real, they've cried "Love My Almighty Wolf" so many times it's difficult to believe. I really *want* to believe what Den has posted. Until I see an actual binding announcement, it's just more fluff.

Dare I coin a new phrase for 2017? "Announcement Porn".

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

If the "chart" you are referring to is the graphic showing the frequencies of trips above, then that is actually a Metrolinx graphic published to explain their plans on a number of occasions. Although Steve Munro published it, he is not the author.

There are one (or more) versions for each corridor explaining the all-day and weekend frequencies and the distance from Union that electrification is planned.

No, not that pic, the one munro published.
swanboatsteve.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/rer-rollout-details.pdf

I see we're talking about the same thing here.

What I posted was from an RER projection. Den may be correct, but I'm such a dyed in the wool cynic that I want to see an actual announcement. What Den posts is approaching two years old, complete with disclaimers:
[Notes:
1
Potential service extensions are excluded from the totals.
2
The service plan is subject to change/refinement, and all service changes require CN/CP and Metrolinx Board approval. Opportunities to increase the number of revenue trips (e.g., counterpeak ) are being explored
[...]
Potential new service improvements by 2020 include:
[...]

"Potential". I'd love Den's claim to be the case. Anyone able to verify with a link or reference? April is just in time for weekend bike on GO train escape west to Mt. Pleasant and then west or north from there.

I think all of us would like to see a plan which states clearly that THIS will happen on SUCH-and-SUCH a date. Picking up on something I said elsewhere, any management group that does not know WHAT result it is delivering, and WHEN is not worth its salt.

The minimum expectation from the travelling public - it being a new year, for example - should be a clear announcement of the improvements which will come into service between now and 180 days out. Perhaps another on June 15 for the last half of the year. Why the opening of Gormley GO was announced seven days before it opened and why this style of communication persists, makes me concerned about Metrolinx and project management. I wonder if the senoir management of Metrolinx knows what service changes will be made in the next ninety days.

The communication style irritates me and I believe a large number of readers here.

Agreed. the lack of communication and organization is bad for many.

I don't think you'll get much disagreement on that point!

A lot of 'theorizing' is presented to the public to evoke 'love and devotion' to our Dear Leaders. The downside is that when it's real, they've cried "Love My Almighty Wolf" so many times it's difficult to believe. I really *want* to believe what Den has posted. Until I see an actual binding announcement, it's just more fluff.

Dare I coin a new phrase for 2017? "Announcement Porn".

"Del Duca Days"

 

[TransitBart]

I don't think you'll get much disagreement on that point!

A lot of 'theorizing' is presented to the public to evoke 'love and devotion' to our Dear Leaders. The downside is that when it's real, they've cried "Love My Almighty Wolf" so many times it's difficult to believe. I really *want* to believe what Den has posted. Until I see an actual binding announcement, it's just more fluff.

Dare I coin a new phrase for 2017? "Announcement Porn".

Let's start 2017 with a different phrase.

"Post Truth" <<--pure nonsense.

How about truth and integrity era?

With a vast expansion of Access to Information rights? Transparency normally improves results. Access to Information was a Liberal (capital L) project. It's a cost-free measure that Mr. Trudeau and Mrs. Wynne can get behind at the beginning of a troubling new era. It could also change the accountability of this provincial government which has been a long-standing and troubling issue even for its dwindling count of supporters.

 

[TOareaFan]

28 weekend trains in the 2016-17 fiscal year. Mt Pleasant is getting 28 weekend trains and evening weekday daily service in april, which is the end of the fiscal year.

April 1 is the start of fiscal year 2017-2018....to the user/consumer it does not matter but if anyone is going to say a promise of fiscal 2016-17 is "kept" then, technically, those schedule changes would have to be in effect and trains running by March 31

 

[TOareaFan]

I hope you're right, I'd like to see a news release on that, can't find one, but if there is, it contradicts this:

View attachment 94959

isn't that the full ReR rollout plan.

Ie. trains to/from Bramalea every 15 minutes 7 days a week all day....and trains every 60 minutes to Mt. Pleasant during the day (presumuably only working days).