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Danforth Line 2 Scarborough Subway Extension

OneCity said:
The fact is we need to move forward, both plans have issues. The answer is no longer to keep studying and debating. There is also another plan coming this election lets throw that one in there now.
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Council approved the $3.56 three-stop subway extension that was expected to move 14k pphpd, over the SLRT proposal. We're now building a 1-stop $3.4 Billion subway extension with about half the projected ridership. That's such a massive change in ridership, cost and scope, that another look at all options is warranted.
 
WislaHD said:
The planner on the pannel just told GDB off, "there are no time savings to be had with the subway." "If you want to go to York University, why don't you take the Express Bus? Nobody takes the subway from Scarborough to York University mister De Baeremaeker".
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Was GDB saying people would use the subway to get to YorkU?
 
TheTigerMaster said:
Council approved the $3.56 three-stop subway extension that was expected to move 14k pphpd, over the SLRT proposal. We're now building a 1-stop $3.4 Billion subway extension with about half the projected ridership. That's such a massive change in ridership, cost and scope, that another look at all options is warranted.
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Yes the problem is called Smarttrack. Media should talk more about its impact instead of rejected transfer LRT vs. subway debates

Ford will likely deal with this in a more supported manner during the election so we should get a head start discussing. Tory needs an Eglinton LRT funding announcement in the coming weeks or his support will suffer against a far better subway extension. The transfer LRT will be touted by the opposition proclaimed "fact" based candidate and will get far more publicity than it should given the realistic support at this stage. Hopefully they don't show up with the same plan.
 
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epcjay said:
*yawn*

Another article by Jennifer Paglario - https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/03/27/how-busy-will-the-scarborough-subway-extension-be.html

Pumping out like 3 articles in two days. Doesn't the star have anything better to do?
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I really like how they compare various 6km stretches of subway, which is a much more accurate comparison than comparing between individual stations, since this will be the only station that requires 6km of subway to be built to get to it.
 
LNahid2000 said:
I really like how they compare various 6km stretches of subway, which is a much more accurate comparison than comparing between individual stations, since this will be the only station that requires 6km of subway to be built to get to it.
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Yes lets add the stops back and its a great 6km stretch and a prosperous City Centre. Smarttrack is the problem and should go
 
she is absolutely hounding the scarborough subway file, and isn't even the Star's transit reporter. This shows, there are often a lot of errors in her articles.


Those comparisons are far, far from accurate. The entire TTC system sees just over 1,000,000 daily trips. No way over 3/4 use the downtown loop every day. They show 98,000 trips on the Sheppard subway, while we know less than 50,000 trips are made on that line daily.

The problem with the metric is that the comparable numbers are alightings and boardings, meaning the Sheppard subway sees double its actual ridership, as it counts everyone getting on and off at once.

The Scarborough subway ridership number shows 64,000 unique trips to the station. While this number includes both alightings and boardings, it doesn't "Double count" the ridership as you are only counting a single station. You know that 64,000 unique trips will be made past Kennedy.

This is not true for the other comparisons, as they are not similarly isolated. The Sheppard subway sees most of its ridership get on at Don Mills and get off at Yonge. This trip would be counted twice, as a boarding at Don Mills, and an alighting at Yonge.
 
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innsertnamehere said:
she is absolutely hounding the scarborough subway file, and isn't even the Star's transit reporter. This shows, there are often a lot of errors in her articles.


Those comparisons are far, far from accurate. The entire TTC system sees just over 1,000,000 daily trips. No way over 3/4 use the downtown loop every day. They show 98,000 trips on the Sheppard subway, while we know less than 50,000 trips are made on that line daily.

The problem with the metric is that the comparable numbers are alightings and boardings, meaning the Sheppard subway sees double its actual ridership, as it counts everyone getting on and off at once.

The Scarborough subway ridership number shows 64,000 unique trips to the station. This means that 64,000 people will pay a TTC token to travel to STC every day. Only 49,000 people pay a TTC token to get on the sheppard subway every day.
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You're right, they're double counting. It looks like they simply added the station totals from here without doing any analysis:

https://www.ttc.ca/PDF/Transit_Planning/Subway ridership 2015.pdf
 
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