Danforth Line 2 Scarborough Subway Extension

[JSF-1]

How much of a delay would be caused by reinstating the Lawrence East station? 3 months, 6 months, a year?

Quite a bit actually, considering the current design makes a Lawrence East Station impossible. Re-instating Lawrence East would likely require the entire tunnel design to be thrown out. There would either be 2 options, either keep the current tunnel design but then build a Lawrenece East station something like 20 stories below ground which obviously won't come cheap and drive up the timeline and scope of the project. The other option is a station closer to the surface but this would mean scrapping a large portion of the already finished engineering work.

 

[cplchanb]

Quite a bit actually, considering the current design makes a Lawrence East Station impossible. Re-instating Lawrence East would likely require the entire tunnel design to be thrown out. There would either be 2 options, either keep the current tunnel design but then build a Lawrenece East station something like 20 stories below ground which obviously won't come cheap and drive up the timeline and scope of the project. The other option is a station closer to the surface but this would mean scrapping a large portion of the already finished engineering work.

Imo of LE does get reinstated this will scuttle the project beyond repair until the next generation. They really ought to just work on finishing what they've got. They can accommodate what they can for possible add ons but to redesign at this stage is just suicide

 

[Amare]

Imo of LE does get reinstated this will scuttle the project beyond repair until the next generation. They really ought to just work on finishing what they've got. They can accommodate what they can for possible add ons but to redesign at this stage is just suicide

They might as well redesign it, seeing as what we've got now is one of the most wasteful subway projects proposed in the world.

 

[JSF-1]

Imo of LE does get reinstated this will scuttle the project beyond repair until the next generation. They really ought to just work on finishing what they've got. They can accommodate what they can for possible add ons but to redesign at this stage is just suicide

Problem is, if they want an LE station it has to be done now. The current plan makes 0 provisions for a station at Lawrenece. Its not like North York Centre which could be infilled because the line was shallow cut-and-cover. The SSE is deep bore tunnel nealry 20 floors below ground at Lawrence. Once its built there is no going back down there.

 

[OneCity]

Imo of LE does get reinstated this will scuttle the project beyond repair until the next generation. They really ought to just work on finishing what they've got. They can accommodate what they can for possible add ons but to redesign at this stage is just suicide

If it takes time to put back in this stop so be it. Its hardly suicide. The stop should have never been removed and many who oppose line entirely even agree it shouldn't be built without the stop. Unfortunate if we have to backtrack a bit due to the sour territorial politics and poor planning, but in the long run its the right decision.

 

[cplchanb]

Congrats UTers!!!!! We made it to page 1000 with no shovels in the ground!!!!!!!

 

[micheal_can]

Congrats UTers!!!!! We made it to page 1000 with no shovels in the ground!!!!!!!

Took 13 years to do it.

 

[Hopkins123]

Problem is, if they want an LE station it has to be done now. The current plan makes 0 provisions for a station at Lawrenece. Its not like North York Centre which could be infilled because the line was shallow cut-and-cover. The SSE is deep bore tunnel nealry 20 floors below ground at Lawrence. Once its built there is no going back down there.

Ever heard of elevators? High-speed ones? If Montreal can make the Édouard-Montpetit REM station happen (under construction as we speak) despite being 70m below the surface, nothing is really stopping engineers here from coming up with a palatable solution for Lawrence East.

 

[Hopkins123]

Took 13 years to do it.

13 years, eh? Seems to book-end quite nicely with the Liberals' reign in office. No wonder Scarborough en masse dougied.

 

[JSF-1]

No wonder Scarborough en masse dougied.

Well that's not entirly true. I believe Scarborough South went NDP, and my ward Scarborough-Guildwood went Liberal but the outcome is the same non-the less. Scarborough-Guildwood is the outlier in the whole Subway debate, since its MPP is Liberal (eventhough Hunter supports the Subway) and the City Councillor "Paul Ainsle" is against the subway. It's kind of weird having a City Councillor I actually agree with, DeBaermaker was a real mixed bag.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Problem is, if they want an LE station it has to be done now. The current plan makes 0 provisions for a station at Lawrenece. Its not like North York Centre which could be infilled because the line was shallow cut-and-cover. The SSE is deep bore tunnel nealry 20 floors below ground at Lawrence. Once its built there is no going back down there.

It just has to be a level rough-in. On the Crosstown, they tunneled and then excavate down to create the stations. They can do the same with the extension. See link and link. Since they have to create emergency exits anyway, they can create the shoring for emergency exits and future stations at the same time.

 

[JSF-1]

It just has to be a level rough-in. On the Crosstown, they tunneled and then excavate down to create the stations. They can do the same with the extension. See link and link. Since they have to create emergency exits anyway, they can create the shoring for emergency exits and future stations at the same time.

They can, but as far as the current plan is concerned they aren't going to. As it stands now the Subway will be dug with no consideration for a station at Lawrence.

 

[OneCity]

They can, but as far as the current plan is concerned they aren't going to. As it stands now the Subway will be dug with no consideration for a station at Lawrence.

The current Premier has been quite vocal about restoring the 3 stops and we have a new Scarborough councillor McKelvie also advocating for the 3 stops to be put back in. Remember Tory voted in favour already for it to be designed so there will be no further chance for obstruction should Ford agree to reinstate the stop

I would say there's likely to be a lot of consideration for the Lawrence station in the coming months

 

[syn]

Congrats UTers!!!!! We made it to page 1000 with no shovels in the ground!!!!!!!

Really?

When it comes to transit planning Toronto has been digging a hole for decades.

 

[44 North]

The current Premier has been quite vocal about restoring the 3 stops and we have a new Scarborough councillor McKelvie also advocating for the 3 stops to be put back in. Remember Tory voted in favour already for it to be designed so there will be no further chance for obstruction should Ford agree to reinstate the stop

Has he been "quite vocal"? I support adding a station or two to SSE, but imo the premier has been quite silent on any transit plan. With the exception of uploading of course. Guy talks about extending subways to Pickering and "rapid underground transit", but where's even the most basic of plans, or napkin maps, or anything? It's largely crickets.