picard102
Senior Member
What bar knowingly serves alcohol to underage girls?
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2018 Ontario Provincial Election Discussion
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What bar knowingly serves alcohol to underage girls?
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Oh Rick Dykstra...this Rick Dykstra?
http://nationalpost.com/news/politi...ought-alcohol-for-underage-girls-at-nightclub
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Palma
Senior Member
I saw the Agenda last night and one of the PC guys was saying that you always hear whispers about most politicians. So these PC can't single out only 1 politician now and say we heard rumors and brought it to so and so attention to now make it look good on themselves. Why not go and tell the highest level PC about rumours about all the PC guys then?
Skeevy bars, so the next question is why is he hanging around at skeevy bars? Hey, the girls may well have had fake IDs so the bar may not have been serving them knowingly, but that doesn't change anything.
Palma
Senior Member
But they are not investigators who know how to question. Witness what happened to that girl who claimed her hajab got cut. Look at how those reporters "investigated"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...-leader-patrick-brown-election-1.4505104?cid=
From the article: "It's not yet clear if Fedeli, 61, will lead the party into the June 7 provincial election or if a leadership race will be held."
ChesterCopperpot
Senior Member
Isn't he part owner of the bar?
picard102
Senior Member
How does it not? Is he supposed to check their ID's?
I have heard he is part-owner of a bar, I don't know if that's the bar in question. So if he is a part-owner and it's a bar that under age kids know they can go to, that's not so great either.
@picard102 , my original point was in response to a comment regarding frat boy behaviour. I don't think that a teetotalling older man hanging out at bars chatting up young women really is frat boy behaviour.
Northern Light
Superstar
He is or was until recently the part-owner of a bar called 'Hooligans' in Barrie.
However, that bar has only been around a few years, so, at least in its current incarnation, that can't be the bar in question as the allegations refer to a period in the range of 8 to 10 years age.
In a related note, in fairness Lucy, bars/clubs regularly serve people who are marginally under-age.
I had my first glass of wine at The Olive Garden when I was 14!
If you look older and behave older, you probably won't even be asked for ID.
At a club that is regularly inspected, I expect a bit more focus on ID, nonetheless, fake ID has been a thing for generations.
Mr Brown may be guilty of any number of things; but lets not convict him of having been in a bar/club, as a single man, in his 20s, on the basis that that bar served alcohol to an 18 year old.
I'm not convicting him of anything, again, I was responding to a comment about frat boy behaviour. I really, really don't think "frat boy" when someone who doesn't drink is hanging out at bars. That's what I find odd behaviour -- not as a one off, but on what people are saying is a pattern of behaviour, much more recent than 10 years ago. And "in his 20's" is a bit misleading, since 10 years ago he turned 30.
And yes, bars serve underage people. When I was underage, we knew exactly where we could go and never get asked. But that was a long time ago, and I was under the impression that things had tightened up, although I am quite sure, especially in university/college areas, that the kids know exactly where they can go -- note that in the article about Darvish, it was mentioned that the bar in question is a favourite for university students.
What also concerns me is that if this was whispered about in the PC party, didn't anyone think it would come back to haunt them, particularly in the current climate?
And yes, bars serve underage people. When I was underage, we knew exactly where we could go and never get asked. But that was a long time ago, and I was under the impression that things had tightened up, although I am quite sure, especially in university/college areas, that the kids know exactly where they can go -- note that in the article about Darvish, it was mentioned that the bar in question is a favourite for university students.
What also concerns me is that if this was whispered about in the PC party, didn't anyone think it would come back to haunt them, particularly in the current climate?
blixtex
Active Member
Same here! This was around 1993-1994 in Toronto for me. Things were alot more laxed then. It really wasn't until the late 90s or early-mid 2000s, especially with the new licenses that it became more strict. But I think there was more lee way in smaller cities like Barrie for a longer period (i.e. more socially acceptable, less crackdowns).
I guess technically he was 28-29 depending on how exact 10 yrs is, and time of month. I think it's a big enough difference as that 28-32 range changes alot in terms of social party behaviour. If someone is drunk or buzzed, it's hard to know if another has had alot of drinks or not. But if he was a 'club promoter', they generally did not drink that much.
I think this whole Weinstein thing really took off at the latter half of the year, after he was chosen leader so it was still unexpected in some ways. Overall, it's the image of "Put this in your mouth", especially in today's context that is undesired. If that's the case, I would say 99% of male politicians are in trouble as any women can come back after all this time and say the same thing, and say she felt uncomfortable to end their chances.
With that, I do think a female leader should be chosen in today's climate if the PCs were smart.
Yes, well, so far it's Vic Fedelli.
ChesterCopperpot
Senior Member
Northern Light
Superstar
It's the same place
Yes, but he didn't become an owner till after the name change a few years back, at least to my understanding.
Though i believe he was a regular at the previous establishment.