drum118
Superstar
It's my understanding that a review of stops is underway, with all Sunday stops being remove. This review has to happen if built-out platforms are to be built in various places.
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It's my understanding that a review of stops is underway, with all Sunday stops being remove. This review has to happen if built-out platforms are to be built in various places.
leopetr
Active Member
The new streetcars are designed for all-door boarding. The driver is in a private cabin with no rider-driver interaction possible. There's no way to retrofit pay-at-the-front-door-and-only-the-front-door boarding on them.
I think the plan is to have on-board fare machines at all the doors on the new streetcars, plus off-board fare machines at the important stops.
drum118
Superstar
The small platform area is where the fare machine will be located on the car. There are 2 machines on the car as well as 1-2 readers at all doors. Unless something has change, there will be no fare machines at stops
nfitz
Superstar
The TTC has been saying for years that there will be fare machines at important stops, and the FAQ on their website still says this - http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Pro...ew_Streetcars/FAQ/FAQ_PassengerExperience.jsp
The TTC's tender last year for the work on the stops on Spadina included "providing electrical conduits for ticket vending machines".
Are you aware of some change that has lead them to cancel the plant to stick ticket machines at some stops?
FNTS
Active Member
From CBC.ca:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/03/05/toronto-new-streetcar-tests.html
New Toronto streetcar to get first road test
First of 204 new, longer streetcars to be tested on open roads later this month
Toronto city officials hope the first test run of a new, longer streetcar will show a smooth ride ahead for the 204 new vehicles scheduled to roll out next year. The new streetcars, priced at $1.2 billion, have never been tested on city streets. The test model that's been delivered is still undergoing internal tests at a Toronto Transit Commission yard, and is scheduled to be tried on the road in the next two weeks.
'Until you actually run the car on real streets, you don't know where that one turn that doesn't conform to what you've got on paper is going to be.'
—Coun. Gord Perks
Coun. Paula Fletcher says she's excited and nervous to see them in action. Designed specifically for Toronto by Montreal-based Bombardier as part of a deal signed in 2009, Fletcher's worry is that a vehicle of this kind has never operated in open traffic anywhere in the world.
"Everyone's just waiting to see how well they're going to work on the current track," she said.
Longer than current double streetcars
Each of the vehicles will be 30-per-cent longer than the existing double-length streetcars.
"We have a lot of anomalies on our roads so I hope … that they'll be able to move around the city," Fletcher said.
Coun. Gord Perks is also anxious.
"Until you actually run the car on real streets, you don't know where that one turn that doesn't conform to what you've got on paper is going to be," he said.
TTC spokesman Brad Ross says he'd like to see the vehicle in action too, but is confident everything will go well.
"There are no curves, there are no hills, there are no loops, there are no switches, there are no pieces of track in Toronto that the streetcar is not designed and engineered to handle," he said.
The new streetcars will replace the current fleet of 248 streetcars purchased in the 1970s and 1980s.
According to the 2009 announcement, the new streetcars will be low-floor, quieter and come with air conditioning, and be able to carry almost twice as many people as the current models.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/03/05/toronto-new-streetcar-tests.html
New Toronto streetcar to get first road test
First of 204 new, longer streetcars to be tested on open roads later this month
Toronto city officials hope the first test run of a new, longer streetcar will show a smooth ride ahead for the 204 new vehicles scheduled to roll out next year. The new streetcars, priced at $1.2 billion, have never been tested on city streets. The test model that's been delivered is still undergoing internal tests at a Toronto Transit Commission yard, and is scheduled to be tried on the road in the next two weeks.
'Until you actually run the car on real streets, you don't know where that one turn that doesn't conform to what you've got on paper is going to be.'
—Coun. Gord Perks
Coun. Paula Fletcher says she's excited and nervous to see them in action. Designed specifically for Toronto by Montreal-based Bombardier as part of a deal signed in 2009, Fletcher's worry is that a vehicle of this kind has never operated in open traffic anywhere in the world.
"Everyone's just waiting to see how well they're going to work on the current track," she said.
Longer than current double streetcars
Each of the vehicles will be 30-per-cent longer than the existing double-length streetcars.
"We have a lot of anomalies on our roads so I hope … that they'll be able to move around the city," Fletcher said.
Coun. Gord Perks is also anxious.
"Until you actually run the car on real streets, you don't know where that one turn that doesn't conform to what you've got on paper is going to be," he said.
TTC spokesman Brad Ross says he'd like to see the vehicle in action too, but is confident everything will go well.
"There are no curves, there are no hills, there are no loops, there are no switches, there are no pieces of track in Toronto that the streetcar is not designed and engineered to handle," he said.
The new streetcars will replace the current fleet of 248 streetcars purchased in the 1970s and 1980s.
According to the 2009 announcement, the new streetcars will be low-floor, quieter and come with air conditioning, and be able to carry almost twice as many people as the current models.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
New Toronto streetcar to get first road test
Toronto city officials hope the first test run of a new, longer streetcar will show a smooth ride ahead for the 204 new vehicles scheduled to roll out next year.
The new streetcars, priced at $1.2 billion, have never been tested on city streets.
The test model that's been delivered is still undergoing internal tests at a Toronto Transit Commission yard, and is scheduled to be tried on the road in the next two weeks.
'Until you actually run the car on real streets, you don't know where that one turn that doesn't conform to what you've got on paper is going to be.'—Coun. Gord Perks
Coun. Paula Fletcher says she's excited and nervous to see them in action. Designed specifically for Toronto by Montreal-based Bombardier as part of a deal signed in 2009, Fletcher's worry is that a vehicle of this kind has never operated in open traffic anywhere in the world.
"Everyone's just waiting to see how well they're going to work on the current track," she said.
Longer than current double streetcars
Each of the vehicles will be 30-per-cent longer than the existing double-length streetcars.
"We have a lot of anomalies on our roads so I hope … that they'll be able to move around the city," Fletcher said.
Coun. Gord Perks is also anxious.
"Until you actually run the car on real streets, you don't know where that one turn that doesn't conform to what you've got on paper is going to be," he said.
TTC spokesman Brad Ross says he'd like to see the vehicle in action too, but is confident everything will go well.
"There are no curves, there are no hills, there are no loops, there are no switches, there are no pieces of track in Toronto that the streetcar is not designed and engineered to handle," he said.
The new streetcars will replace the current fleet of 248 streetcars purchased in the 1970s and 1980s.
According to the 2009 announcement, the new streetcars will be low-floor, quieter and come with air conditioning, and be able to carry almost twice as many people as the current models.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/03/05/toronto-new-streetcar-tests.html
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W. K. Lis
Superstar
Odd, that the CBC didn't use a more current photograph of the new streetcar instead of an ancient artist rendering.
drum118
Superstar
How are they going to move 4400 if it breakdown on the roads without 4402 being here that is weeks late in arrival, let alone months? 4401 was supposed to be here by the end of March.
There was a meeting on Friday and guess new dates were given.
The word is that police escort will be needed to move a broken down car with another LRT, since they will be 62m long train for safety issues.
The goal was to start testing this months, with hope one would had taken place in Feb.
There was a meeting on Friday and guess new dates were given.
The word is that police escort will be needed to move a broken down car with another LRT, since they will be 62m long train for safety issues.
The goal was to start testing this months, with hope one would had taken place in Feb.
nfitz
Superstar
I thought 4402 was supposed to be the first unit to hit the road. I have to wonder if CBC got the story wrong.
Does a CLRV have the horsepower to push a new streetcar? Better hope so, if a new streetcar breaks down with CLRV already behind it!
Oh, that's going to go down well, as we see breakdowns like this currently on a daily basis. Hopefully they've rationalized the process by the time that we are in the 2030s, and the 20-year old Flexities are breaking down every day.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
When the new Bombardier Outlook streetcar 4400 arrived at Hillcrest, it was pushed around and into its parking bay using a CLRV. There was a video of its arrival that included it being pushed by a CLRV, but can't locate it.
nfitz
Superstar
True! Though presumably there's a difference between the yard and Bathurst hill the first time it leaves Hillcrest
drum118
Superstar
4400 was schedule to be the first one to see the streets from what I was told.
I was told and not sure if it is true, but 4400 show up missing a lot of equipment to meet the schedule like the electronics and the Propulsion system. That is why the CLRV most likely could push it around the yard.
Maybe the CLRV can push these new cars on the flat, but not on the grade.
Lets wait 10 years to see what happens let alone 20 years for breakdown.
Like I said early, TTC had a meeting with Bombardier on Friday. What changes that came out of that meeting may have been past onto CBC first from what I was told a few weeks ago.
TTC could pickup some unimog or do what Melbourne has done found on Wongm site: http://railgallery.wongm.com/melbourne-trams/page/9
W. K. Lis
Superstar
I would assume the first street tests would be done empty.
Once they are satisfied, they'll add sandbags, and more sandbags, and more sandbags to represent the mass of people for testing purposes. The big test would be one of the new streetcars filled with sandbags going up the Bathurst hill. Maybe the ultimate test would be a filled new streetcar being pushed up the Bathurst hill by another new streetcar, with or without sandbags.
Then they will test using humans.
Once they are satisfied, they'll add sandbags, and more sandbags, and more sandbags to represent the mass of people for testing purposes. The big test would be one of the new streetcars filled with sandbags going up the Bathurst hill. Maybe the ultimate test would be a filled new streetcar being pushed up the Bathurst hill by another new streetcar, with or without sandbags.
Then they will test using humans.
smallspy
Senior Member
That is mostly false - there were a couple of very minor components that needed to be installed upon arrival, but those were mostly due to keeping them safe in transport and during unloading. It really was a matter of plugging in wires and bolting on a couple of sensors and things like the plow to the front truck.
The TTC was never going to have it move on its own - and especially not while being unloaded - until it was satisfied that it would pass the rest of the static systems tests. Think about how bad it would have looked if the thing died while operating off of the ramp, especially with the media and the big-wigs all on site.
As for rescuing it if it gets disabled, a CLRV can push it around in most locations, and if the grades are beyond what a CLRV can push it on the TTC does have a fleet of work trucks that are capable of towing or pushing it.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
drum118
Superstar
The "thunder bay news" site says the new Flexity model modern streetcars being built by Bombardier Transportation at its Thunder Bay assembly plant will undergo testing next week on Toronto Transit Commission [TTC] home rails. One unit already has been delivered to TTC; two more are assembled and are undergoing trials at Thunder Bay:
http://tinyurl.com/b3yu73g
"(Thursday, March 7, 2013)
Today at 16:29
TTC officials test new street cars at local Bombardier plant
By tbnewswatch.com
A team from the TTC was in the city this week to test run some locally-built streetcars.
The training on the prototype light-rail vehicles is part of what Bombardier says will be a milestone next week.
Three light rail vehicle prototypes have now rolled off the line at the local Bombardier plant. One of the "next generation" Streetcars is already in Toronto while the other two are still being tested here in the city behind the local plant.
Instructors with the Toronto Transit Commission have been training on the new vehicles ahead of on-street training in Toronto next week.
The experienced TTC operators have found no major challenges so far. Though there are safety and technical differences between the new light rail vehicles and the current fleet that is three decades old.
It's an exciting time says Carolyne Laroux, project director for Bombardier. The company already has two contracts to build more than 380 light rail vehicles.
The big test for the three prototype streetcars will come next week in Toronto.
This local track only allows for the light rail cars to run at 30 kilometres an hour (18.6 mph).
Tests next week will be at speeds more than double that.
(Dennis Ward, Thunder Bay Television)
http://tinyurl.com/b3yu73g
"(Thursday, March 7, 2013)
Today at 16:29
TTC officials test new street cars at local Bombardier plant
By tbnewswatch.com
A team from the TTC was in the city this week to test run some locally-built streetcars.
The training on the prototype light-rail vehicles is part of what Bombardier says will be a milestone next week.
Three light rail vehicle prototypes have now rolled off the line at the local Bombardier plant. One of the "next generation" Streetcars is already in Toronto while the other two are still being tested here in the city behind the local plant.
Instructors with the Toronto Transit Commission have been training on the new vehicles ahead of on-street training in Toronto next week.
The experienced TTC operators have found no major challenges so far. Though there are safety and technical differences between the new light rail vehicles and the current fleet that is three decades old.
It's an exciting time says Carolyne Laroux, project director for Bombardier. The company already has two contracts to build more than 380 light rail vehicles.
The big test for the three prototype streetcars will come next week in Toronto.
This local track only allows for the light rail cars to run at 30 kilometres an hour (18.6 mph).
Tests next week will be at speeds more than double that.
(Dennis Ward, Thunder Bay Television)