TOareaFan
Superstar
In this video, though, Karen Stinz acknowledges that the Federal government is contributing $108 million.
http://bcove.me/ow8sroa4
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In this video, though, Karen Stinz acknowledges that the Federal government is contributing $108 million.
http://bcove.me/ow8sroa4
nfitz
Superstar
It's the federal gas tax. It's a shell game that this money is applied to the streetcar purchase; in past years it's simply been general income for both the capital and operating budget.
So if $108 million of the gas tax funding is applied to the Streetcars over the next 6 years, then the city has to instead find $108 million to fund other planned capital works.
Not sure what would have lead to this playing nicely stuff ... perhaps an attempt to be nice and try and get direct funding for another project.
EnviroTO
Senior Member
These seats still anger me. I brought it up to them that they should use the wider seat design (that exists elsewhere in the vehicle) in this location. They basically blew off the suggestion, saying that it would be a costly modification.
It's still a poor design.
Yes it makes no sense at all that those seats are so thin and there is dead white space that will certainly end up some of the most scuffed up white space in the vehicle, when there are seats like this:
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Don't forget this is a "prototype". Make your concerns known to the TTC.
When the first prototype ALRV was on the streets of Toronto, they were hand-operated. The production ALRV were fitted with foot-operated controls (and the prototype was retrofitted with foot controls).
When the first prototype ALRV was on the streets of Toronto, they were hand-operated. The production ALRV were fitted with foot-operated controls (and the prototype was retrofitted with foot controls).
bardak
New Member
These seats still anger me. I brought it up to them that they should use the wider seat design (that exists elsewhere in the vehicle) in this location. They basically blew off the suggestion, saying that it would be a costly modification.
It's still a poor design.
The wide seats are probably a bit to wide to fit. I would be surprised if they added a third width of seats. The seats in most public transit vehicles these days are designed to easily removed and replaced in case of damage or vandalism and I'm surprised that they are spending the money to stock two different seats to begin with. The easiest solution would probably be to reduce the width of the wider seats to fit in this spot but who know how many of the wider seats have already been produced.
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
These streetcars are going to look very long travelling on streets like College and Dundas. The back half of it may even run red lights from time to time as the lights are changing.
Wrenkin
Active Member
Happens constantly in Vancouver with the articulated B-Line buses.
nfitz
Superstar
Happens constantly in Toronto with the existing CLRV and ALRV vehicles.
JayBeeGooner
Active Member
Happens all the time with 40 foot buses.
smallspy
Senior Member
The first ALRV - 4900 - was not retrofitted for or to anything. It was involved in an accident at the UTDC facility in Kingston and scrapped in 1988.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
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W. K. Lis
Superstar
Hipster Duck
Senior Member
Yes it makes no sense at all that those seats are so thin and there is dead white space that will certainly end up some of the most scuffed up white space in the vehicle, when there are seats like this:
+1.
Actually, why are there seats that face that way, period? Wouldn't it make more sense from a space efficiency standpoint to orient the seats so they were parallel to the window facing in? Another idea for crush loads would have been to raise the entire platform - including the corridor - and turned it into a large, standing area (with flip down seats parallel to the window). It's not like wheelchairs can fit through that narrow passageway, anyway.
Wrenkin
Active Member
How would inward-facing seats work? You can't push the seats further toward the window because the wheels are inside those grey platforms.
smallspy
Senior Member
You've attached some nice photos from a website you found - congratulations.
Still doesn't change the fact that if you had read that website prior to your earlier post, you could have made that post a bit more correct.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
Hipster Duck
Senior Member
The seats are on top of the grey platforms. Similar to the seats on top of the second axle of a low floor articulated bus.