You know that no one is talking about money on this one yet.
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Eventually the DRL will be extended west of downtown as far as Dundas West.
North of Davisville, bus service remains on Yonge due to the large gaps between stops. Bus service on the entire Yonge line also remains during rush hour. Elsewhere in the world, surface transit also runs above subways to provide more local service. A good example is the F Line in San Francisco, which runs above BART and Muni Metro. I don't think the King and Queen streetcars should necessarily be removed.
Really? Who are the 53,000 people using the 504 King then? Also, for local service the streetcar may still be faster than the subway (i.e. if your origin and destination is between two stops).The streetcar service is slow, unreliable and constantly gets detoured due to special events and construction. Most people hate using it and actively avoid it if possible.
North of Davisville, bus service remains on Yonge due to the large gaps between stops. Bus service on the entire Yonge line also remains during rush hour. Elsewhere in the world, surface transit also runs above subways to provide more local service. A good example is the F Line in San Francisco, which runs above BART and Muni Metro. I don't think the King and Queen streetcars should necessarily be removed.
Really? Who are the 53,000 people using the 504 King then? Also, for local service the streetcar may still be faster than the subway (i.e. if your origin and destination is between two stops).
The most shortsighted bit about the DRL is not extending Phase 1 to Spadina/Bathurst to relieve the streetcars, and prepare for future development in the area. I asked a planner why they decided to end Phase 1 in the Financial District, and his answer was "This was the area of study preferred by citizens in consultations". OK, consultations are great, but if we can throw in a jog to the Unilever site because it makes sense, we can add two more stations to the western end.
I suspect if they did that, the Relief Line would look a little too "downtown", and suburbanites would flip their sh*t. God forbid we build any transit that doesn't serve someone politically.
The main reason for the Relief Line is to deal with the Yonge line overcrowding. Going west now doesn't help that significantly.
Well, some number of the people who we are wanting to divert away from Yonge and Bloor will be destined not for Yonge and University but for somewhere west of there. There is a very healthy transfer to streetcars from Line 1 today. This number will grow as the west of University zone is developed. These folks will be a lot likelier to choose the DRL routing if it takes them right to their destination.
I don't know if there is data available on this question, but it should be looked at.
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Well, some number of the people who we are wanting to divert away from Yonge and Bloor will be destined not for Yonge and University but for somewhere west of there. There is a very healthy transfer to streetcars from Line 1 today. This number will grow as the west of University zone is developed. These folks will be a lot likelier to choose the DRL routing if it takes them right to their destination.
I don't know if there is data available on this question, but it should be looked at.
You mean people coming from Kennedy Station and going to Bathurst or Spadina and Queen actually go to Yonge, head south to Queen and then walk or take the streetcar across? Wouldn't most stay on Bloor and get off at Spadina or Bathurst and then take a streetcar south? I don't see a lot of people using the Yonge line this way.
What about people who live around Don Mills, who take the bus to the Yonge line?
Agreed. And the cross-downtown DRL U was basically the DRL for a number of years (in the original Big Move and post-TC plans). So perhaps a compromise between U and Long could work: say, take it as far Bathurst - but with the tail tracks and extraction shaft at Trinity Bellwoods.
The main reason for the Relief Line is to deal with the Yonge line overcrowding. Going west now doesn't help that significantly.