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The article is saying it could 2029 before this thing opens and that's even just the first phase.
 
ehlow said:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...l-as-downtown-relief-line-still-decades-away/
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A link without any indication of what it is about. I just love those. :D

Metrolinx looking for short-term fixes to Toronto’s transit snarl as Downtown Relief Line still decades away

It may well be a popular topic among commuters and mayoral candidates promising swift action, but the downtown relief line feels light years away.
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Aside from the fact that light years is a distance and not time, the article almost mirrors my analysis. If the DRL is 15 years away, the DRL is not a priority. They talk about it being a priority, but they do not act in a way to make it a priority.

see above a few posts http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showth...inx-TTC-Proposed)/page212?p=847428#post847428
 
BurlOak said:
A link without any indication of what it is about. I just love those. :D



Aside from the fact that light years is a distance and not time, the article almost mirrors my analysis. If the DRL is 15 years away, the DRL is not a priority. They talk about it being a priority, but they do not act in a way to make it a priority.

http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showth...inx-TTC-Proposed)/page212?p=847428#post847428
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Alright I guess I'll post the title or leave it to someone else next time.
 
ehlow said:
I personally found the TTC part a bit boring since it was basically a public consultation about how they should do public consultations, and the long detailed speech about the long process they have to go through.

My one question for them was that is the study area limited to east of University or is it possible that phase 1 could end west of University at say Spadina. I did get my question answered, the answer is yes, it is possible that it could end at Spadina or west in phase 1.

With regards to the Metrolinx part, I thought it was good that they're looking at the short and medium term ideas since the DRL will take so long to finish (they said 8-10 years construction after a few more years of study, I think). Increasing GO service and routing more buses downtown instead of to the subway lines were good ideas.

Overall, not much detailed info, it was very preliminary very early stuff.
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I agree about the TTC stuff. Metrolinx on the other hand came ready. I go the impression that the TTC still has not decided on the route yet. For metrolinx, their plan was more detailed, although not what everyone expected. I feel people want more go service, and several mentioned all day service on the Richmond Hill line so they didn't have to build the extension, but Metrolinx came out well. I suggested to them that Eglinton West should be build and the DRL west extended to Eglinton :), just to create a new pressure point and it would help relieve the YUS even more. I also mentioned opening Summerhill again to help union out. I feel part of the reason there is no service all day on the other lines is that they think Union would collapse.

For the DRL, I said this: It's no enough. It's not enough to build to just St Andrew and Pape. This needs to go to Eglinton on both ends at first attempt. Is this just a new line or are we actually going to relieve the system.

Finally, they are consider Broadview as well as Pape and Coxwell for the DRL east interchange. Got it from some sources.

BurlOak said:
I think the conclusion of all of this may just be that the DRL is not needed now and that GO service will increase.

The entire Transit City LRT (Local Rail Transit) plan was developed with no though or allowance for a DRL. Its purpose was to transform disadvantaged neighborhoods more so than transporting people. At the same time, Metrolinx was slowly planning increased GO service - again with little thought for the DRL. 3 or 4 years ago the City tried to reverse this direction by changing the LRT acronym to mean Light Rapid Transit. The first part would have involved making Eglinton a Regional transit line that stretches right across the entire City. Unfortunately, the plan was not fully developed and City Council thought it was more important to defeat Ford, rather than improve on the Rapid Transit plan. Council then voted to go back to Transit City. The switch from SRT/LRT to B-D Extension did not really change anything - it was just a $1.5B to $2.0B solution to remove the transfer, yet it did not reduce the amount of in-street LRT by one metre.

So here we are with essentially the original Transit City plan. A plan that did not include a DRL. Councillors and Mayoralty hopefuls continually talk about how important the DRL is, yet they continue to support other transit initiatives that preclude a DRL.

We shall see, but I would not be surprised if the study yields no DRL - and everyone who claimed they supported transit will be responsible for the decision.
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BB ON said:
Yeah the TTC portion was a bit of a disaster. Too much "how do you want to be asked" and not enough "what do you want to be fixed"

Metrolinx, even if they completely burned and shredded the papers afterwards, made me feel much more listened to.
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ehlow said:
That's not the impression I got during the public meeting. The things like bus relief and increased GO service was more things we can do until the relief line is built. It was more like: since it's going to take so many years to build, we can do things in the meantime to make things better in the shorter term, in addition to the line, not instead of it.
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BurlOak said:
A link without any indication of what it is about. I just love those. :D



Aside from the fact that light years is a distance and not time, the article almost mirrors my analysis. If the DRL is 15 years away, the DRL is not a priority. They talk about it being a priority, but they do not act in a way to make it a priority.

see above a few posts http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showth...inx-TTC-Proposed)/page212?p=847428#post847428
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IMO, DRL should be open in 2023. And not this stubline DRL either.
 
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denfromoakvillemilton said:
I agree about the TTC stuff. Metrolinx on the other hand came ready. I go the impression that the TTC still has not decided on the route yet. For metrolinx, their plan was more detailed, although not what everyone expected. I feel people want more go service, and several mentioned all day service on the Richmond Hill line so they didn't have to build the extension, but Metrolinx came out well. I suggested to them that Eglinton West should be build and the DRL west extended to Eglinton :), just to create a new pressure point and it would help relieve the YUS even more. I also mentioned opening Summerhill again to help union out. I feel part of the reason there is no service all day on the other lines is that they think Union would collapse.

For the DRL, I said this: It's no enough. It's not enough to build to just St Andrew and Pape. This needs to go to Eglinton on both ends at first attempt. Is this just a new line or are we actually going to relieve the system.

Finally, they are consider Broadview as well as Pape and Coxwell for the DRL east interchange. Got it from some sources.









IMO, DRL should be open in 2023. And not this stubline DRL either.
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The 1 Yonge subway got its approval in 1946. By 1954, it was open for use.

The 1 Yonge-University extension opened in 1963, nine years after the first sectin opened. That included design and construction.

The 2 Bloor-Danforth subway opened in 1966 between Keele and Woodbine, three years after the University. The extensions to Warden & Islingon was already in the works and opened two years later in 1968.

The 1 Yonge-University extension north to York Mills opened in 1973. Then to Finch in 1974.

The 1 Yonge-University-Spadina extension to Wilson opened in 1978.

The 2 Bloor-Danforth was extended to Kipling & Warden in 1980.

The 3 Scarborough RT opened in 1985.

The 2 Yonge-University-Spadina was extended to Downsview by 1996.

The 4 Sheppard opened in 2002.

We are currently contructing the 2 Yonge-University-Spadina extension up to Vaughan Metropolitan Centre Station, with service expected by 2016.

Also under construction is the Eglinton Crosstown LRT, with service expected by 2020.

Unfortunately, we will not be seeing the speed for approval and construction as we had with the original Yonge, University and Bloor-Danforth. They could do it in ten years, but there are and will be more roadblocks and bottlenecks in the way.
 
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denfromoakvillemilton said:
I agree about the TTC stuff. Metrolinx on the other hand came ready. I go the impression that the TTC still has not decided on the route yet. For metrolinx, their plan was more detailed, although not what everyone expected. I feel people want more go service, and several mentioned all day service on the Richmond Hill line so they didn't have to build the extension, but Metrolinx came out well. I suggested to them that Eglinton West should be build and the DRL west extended to Eglinton :), just to create a new pressure point and it would help relieve the YUS even more. I also mentioned opening Summerhill again to help union out. I feel part of the reason there is no service all day on the other lines is that they think Union would collapse.

For the DRL, I said this: It's no enough. It's not enough to build to just St Andrew and Pape. This needs to go to Eglinton on both ends at first attempt. Is this just a new line or are we actually going to relieve the system.

Finally, they are consider Broadview as well as Pape and Coxwell for the DRL east interchange. Got it from some sources.









IMO, DRL should be open in 2023. And not this stubline DRL either.
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We're you wearing a black U of T jacket? And did you do Metrolinx "how to use what you have" first? I'd private message you but your inbox is full.
 
Beyond the Don River, the existing Kingston railway sub is too narrow to accommodate TTC tracks. However, the TTC’s initial Downtown Relief Line plan envisioned cut-and-cover tunnels and surface alignments from the Don toward the Northeast, crossing the Danforth at Pape and continuing into the former borough of East York and beyond roughly parallel to Don Mills Road. Such an alignment today would allow service to the Flemingdon and Thorncliffe Park areas as well as eventual interchange with the Sheppard Line.
 
The 2029 projected completion date is really de-motivating for me, it's so far into the future. I was hoping for 2024.

I still support starting the project and I'd be interested in seeing the routing & stations in a few years but it just seems way to early to talk about at this point. If this can be somehow accelerated I would support that as well.

I'm looking forward to the things that will hopefully improve things in the shorter term though, Union station, ATC in 2016, new streetcars, more GO service, Spadina extension & Eglinton Crosstown.
 
ehlow said:
The 2029 projected completion date is really de-motivating for me, it's so far into the future. I was hoping for 2024.

I still support starting the project and I'd be interested in seeing the routing & stations in a few years but it just seems way to early to talk about at this point. If this can be somehow accelerated I would support that as well.

I'm looking forward to the things that will hopefully improve things in the shorter term though, Union station, ATC in 2016, new streetcars, more GO service, Spadina extension & Eglinton Crosstown.
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This is why I find it funny when all these mayoral candidates are talking about this line as if it will be built tomorrow. This line is about 15 years away from completion and that's just for the short segment, not even the extended phases people here want.
 
Adjei said:
This is why I find it funny when all these mayoral candidates are talking about this line as if it will be built tomorrow. This line is about 15 years away from completion and that's just for the short segment, not even the extended phases people here want.
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That's funny because Ford talks about the Scarborough Subway as if it's already been built, so not tomorrow but yesterday.
He often says "I have built it" in the past tense, and taking full credit.

Tory talks as if he can have it built sooner. I wonder if it is possible that they could somehow make process go faster.

It's tough to stay interested in a given transit line when such a big part of your life will pass before you can actually use the damn thing :)
 
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