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Considerable grading across this stretch….

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If there were a Guinness record for best immaculately laid sod, this may be a contender. (Edit: or artificial?).

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hawc said:
Four people killed in the Lower Don Lands area overnight in horrible fiery crash.

News says that 'EV struck a barrier near Cherry & Lake Shore and burst into flames.

But not quite sure exactly where it hit? Eastbound? Westbound?

@globalexpress did you see/hear anything?
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Eastbound. Different direction than the fatal accident in this stretch earlier this year. Probably flying over the rollercoaster bumps. I can’t believe those bumps are still there. How hard would it be to level it out? How many years have they been there? 25+ years? This road gets a lot more use since the Gardiner to Lake Shore ramp was removed and with the renovated Eastbound Jarvis ramp still closed. Most people probably never traveled this stretch in the past. The bumps are fun at 60 - 70 kph. I can’t imagine the air you can catch at higher speeds.
Speed kills again.
 
mburrrrr said:
Eastbound. Different direction than the fatal accident in this stretch earlier this year. Probably flying over the rollercoaster bumps. I can’t believe those bumps are still there. How hard would it be to level it out? How many years have they been there? 25+ years? This road gets a lot more use since the Gardiner to Lake Shore ramp was removed and with the renovated Eastbound Jarvis ramp still closed. Most people probably never traveled this stretch in the past. The bumps are fun at 60 - 70 kph. I can’t imagine the air you can catch at higher speeds.
Speed kills again.
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I had always assumed that the City would (at least) be repaving Lake Shore east of Cherry and removing the rail tracks that still cross it once the new Don bridges are finished.
 
mburrrrr said:
Eastbound. Different direction than the fatal accident in this stretch earlier this year. Probably flying over the rollercoaster bumps. I can’t believe those bumps are still there. How hard would it be to level it out? How many years have they been there? 25+ years? This road gets a lot more use since the Gardiner to Lake Shore ramp was removed and with the renovated Eastbound Jarvis ramp still closed. Most people probably never traveled this stretch in the past. The bumps are fun at 60 - 70 kph. I can’t imagine the air you can catch at higher speeds.
Speed kills again.
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Yikes. Yeah it's so bumpy and awful around there. It's all congested just before Cherry and then kind of opens up right there and people are naturally like, "Finally!!" and they accelerate a lot and speeds can get high. I actually always find myself driving that section relatively slowly because a nasty sunken manhole cover destoryed one of my wheels a few years back and it's still there right as the road rounds the bend.

Wondering what the vehicles was with 4 people in it? EV? Model Y mabe?
 
DSC said:
I had always assumed that the City would (at least) be repaving Lake Shore east of Cherry and removing the rail tracks that still cross it once the new Don bridges are finished.
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One would think in 2018 or so: this roads is going to get a lot more use. Let’s bring it up to a drivable condition before we close the Gardiner ramps for 10+ years? I would like to see the stats on the # of cars using this stretch from 2019 and today and the number of serious accidents.
 
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So I know some of you mentioned this type of language before, but it really stands out to me now and it's so odd.

News outlets always refer to the vehicle instead of the human when describing accidents.

It makes it sound like the machine acted on its own accord rather than a human driving it. (And who knows maybe with the Tesla it was the machine operating autonomously, but I doubt it.)

There's nothing else like this except around vehicles.

We don't say, "A gun killed 6 people." We say "A gunman killed 6 people." We don't say "A knife stabbed a woman." We say "A knife wielding man stabbed a woman."

Yet with vehicles they always refer to the object independently of the driver.

It should say "Four people dead after woman drives her Tesla into a pillar."

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I take that stretch of road fairly often, and although it's a fairly new, I can't believe how bumpy/wavy the road is. I thought maybe it's for water management but it's really dumb. I don't remember it was this way before they re-opened it.

Not to excuse speeding of the car - I think that stretch is still 50km/h before going back to 60km/h later on.

Huh, I just did what hawc said about how we talk about vehicles vs the driver!
 
It has been a rollercoster for as long as I can remember. The eastbound lane has the most dramatic pitch. At one point when they took the ramp down, I thought sadly we would loose those fun bumps. Now sadly they are still there. Maybe they are for drainage but that seems a little drastic.

The picture below is from Jan 20, 2024 a day after the “guy driving his vehicle” westbound into an on-coming guy driving his pickup truck eastbound but was rear ended so assuming at least a 180 degree spin before the high speed collision.
The northern side westbound lanes are less rounded than the southern side eastbound lanes but the road can still change the car’s weight on the road/tires and the “drivers” controllability of the vehicle.

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hawc said:
Yet with vehicles they always refer to the object independently of the driver.

It should say "Four people dead after woman drives her Tesla into a pillar."
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I know you mentioned this, but I would agree with your position with most other vehicles with the exception of a Tesla. But that's my opinion on the matter. >.<
 
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