hawc
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Looks like it was almost the exact same area where the car went into the channel last winter.
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Looks like it was almost the exact same area where the car went into the channel last winter.
hawc
Senior Member
So I know some of you mentioned this type of language before, but it really stands out to me now and it's so odd.
News outlets always refer to the vehicle instead of the human when describing accidents.
It makes it sound like the machine acted on its own accord rather than a human driving it. (And who knows maybe with the Tesla it was the machine operating autonomously, but I doubt it.)
There's nothing else like this except around vehicles.
We don't say, "A gun killed 6 people." We say "A gunman killed 6 people." We don't say "A knife stabbed a woman." We say "A knife wielding man stabbed a woman."
Yet with vehicles they always refer to the object independently of the driver.
It should say "Four people dead after woman drives her Tesla into a pillar."
News outlets always refer to the vehicle instead of the human when describing accidents.
It makes it sound like the machine acted on its own accord rather than a human driving it. (And who knows maybe with the Tesla it was the machine operating autonomously, but I doubt it.)
There's nothing else like this except around vehicles.
We don't say, "A gun killed 6 people." We say "A gunman killed 6 people." We don't say "A knife stabbed a woman." We say "A knife wielding man stabbed a woman."
Yet with vehicles they always refer to the object independently of the driver.
It should say "Four people dead after woman drives her Tesla into a pillar."
tripwire
Active Member
I take that stretch of road fairly often, and although it's a fairly new, I can't believe how bumpy/wavy the road is. I thought maybe it's for water management but it's really dumb. I don't remember it was this way before they re-opened it.
Not to excuse speeding of the car - I think that stretch is still 50km/h before going back to 60km/h later on.
Huh, I just did what hawc said about how we talk about vehicles vs the driver!
Not to excuse speeding of the car - I think that stretch is still 50km/h before going back to 60km/h later on.
Huh, I just did what hawc said about how we talk about vehicles vs the driver!
mburrrrr
Senior Member
It has been a rollercoster for as long as I can remember. The eastbound lane has the most dramatic pitch. At one point when they took the ramp down, I thought sadly we would loose those fun bumps. Now sadly they are still there. Maybe they are for drainage but that seems a little drastic.
The picture below is from Jan 20, 2024 a day after the “guy driving his vehicle” westbound into an on-coming guy driving his pickup truck eastbound but was rear ended so assuming at least a 180 degree spin before the high speed collision.
The northern side westbound lanes are less rounded than the southern side eastbound lanes but the road can still change the car’s weight on the road/tires and the “drivers” controllability of the vehicle.
The picture below is from Jan 20, 2024 a day after the “guy driving his vehicle” westbound into an on-coming guy driving his pickup truck eastbound but was rear ended so assuming at least a 180 degree spin before the high speed collision.
The northern side westbound lanes are less rounded than the southern side eastbound lanes but the road can still change the car’s weight on the road/tires and the “drivers” controllability of the vehicle.
UtakataNoAnnex
Senior Member
I know you mentioned this, but I would agree with your position with most other vehicles with the exception of a Tesla. But that's my opinion on the matter. >.<
hawc
Senior Member
The bumps seem to line up with the massive concrete bridge supports. My guess is the road is raised where this is an underlying foundation from the bridge piers and then has sunk over time where there is just normal soft earth. But I ain't no engineer.
afransen
Senior Member
Tesla's can't drive fully autonomously at a high rate of speed (the autonomous system generally won't exceed the speed limit by more than 10kph). It's possible she had the adaptive cruise control set but was still steering, but most likely it was fully manual and driving way too fast.
Bibi L
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That stretch has always been bumpy. I wonder why it’s only bumpy there, and not anywhere else under the Gardiner? As hawc mentioned, it seems to line up with the pillars of the Gardiner Expressway. That part is also where the Gardiner is at its tallest, since it was originally designed with it continuing straight east, and some ramps leading to the DVP go over the main road of the Gardiner, making it much taller so it can get enough clearance. The height is no longer needed as the section that continues east was removed and now it only goes north up the DVP.
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That is one reason why that whole section of Gardiner and the Gardiner/DVP merge is being rebuilt. (Which is discussed at some length in THIS thread https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...ch-all-incl-hybrid-design-2015-onwards.23915/ )
globalexpress
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Went to take a look at the elaborate scaffolding being set up to accomodate the repainting of the 300-ton Atlas Crane on Thursday eve. It happened to be "golden hour" at its finest.
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kotsy
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Looks like a gigantic Nuit Blanche installation!
Lyphe
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I know my opinion would probably be in the super minority, but I just haven't been able to wrap my head around that behemoth. Pictures or in person. I love the spirit of what they tried to do, but it feels out of place to me and too large for the environment they've created around it. If I picture that same spot with it and without it, I like it without much better.
AlvinofDiaspar
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It looks like something from the Soviet Constructivist period - e.g. Tatlin's Tower.
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70Challenger
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Many projects in Europe and US where they preserve old cranes in public spaces as artefacts and it always makes it more interesting.
UtakataNoAnnex
Senior Member
Personal opinions aside, there lots of examples of industrial sites and relics tuned into park features around the world. If it where my park, I would of longed removed them and have buried in some landfill memory hole off the grid. But hey, this seems to be a thing. And it's not my park. So I'll take the green space to enjoy and ponder in despite all that. And for what that's worth.