Riseth
Senior Member
A little nostalgic for that old Cherry Street bridge but the new one is a spectacular addition to the area.
I still don’t get the late development timelines! lol What about the other districts? There have been uses on the Portlands for decades such as Pinewood and Rebel. There must be a reason.
Yes, along those lines. ~45,000 sq ft like the Metro on Church and Front. IIRC Maple Leaf Gardens Loblaws is about 85,000 sq ft.Is that a large Loblaws type of grocery store? What about the smaller format ones like Leo’s?
I’m not sure what you mean by “local population” but until recently the Loblaws at Queens Quay had virtually nobody living close to it.
Would be interesting to see how grocery stores began to penetrate the downtown core over the last twenty years, cuz I feel like the lack thereof was the main reason why Jarvis Loblaws and its giant parking lot did so well. It was Ryerson Metro and Spadina Chinatown for awhile.Yes but for decades you had people living along the Esplanade, Queens Quay (West of Bay) and near St Lawrence Market.
Loblaws served that segment of the population quite well until Metro, Sobeys and Longos came onto the scene.
Big difference here will be drastically different parking situations.I’m not sure what you mean by “local population” but until recently the Loblaws at Queens Quay had virtually nobody living close to it.
Challenge accepted but it will probably look much better with flyover drone shots!Still no pics of the ghost bridge? Am I going to be the first to shoot it this weekend? Will no one else beat me to it? Challenge!![]()
This may be wrong, but it was my understanding that a local population of 20,000-25,000 is needed to sustain a grocery store. That should be a goal of Villiers here IMO. 8500-9000 units seems like it may not make this threshold.
This may be wrong, but it was my understanding that a local population of 20,000-25,000 is needed to sustain a grocery store. That should be a goal of Villiers here IMO. 8500-9000 units seems like it may not make this threshold.
The square footage on the 200 Front East seems way too big. Just comparing to the QQE Loblaws doesn't seem like those spaces are anything close to the same size.This is incorrect.
That number comes out of the suburban U.S. and is really looking more at the hypermarket size (greater than 50,000ft2)
The broad planning model is one supermarket to every 11,000 people. (NYC published a report saying one 15,000ft2 market to every 10,000 people is desirable)
Obviously, total population/customer reach is a function of both store size as well as much competitors can hive off from you.
Reach for a supermarket w/parking, will be well beyond 1km. The trade area or catchment of a typical chain supermarket is generally understood as a 3km radius of the store. (core radius is 500M)
Again, this will vary based on parking, traffic, transit, density, walking experience etc. and the less distance the higher proportion of your customer base is typically the rule.
Downtown Toronto currently runs at one supermarket to every 11,000 people.
This is a list of downtown supermarkets from 2016, with average ft2 shown; the list has since evolved:
View attachment 551514
The square footage on the 200 Front East seems way too big. Just comparing to the QQE Loblaws doesn't seem like those spaces are anything close to the same size.