TheTigerMaster
Superstar
It looks like they did mention the price tag in the polling question. Nevertheless, I’d agree that the public just wants something to be built. And I suspect the public doesn’t know any detailed information on the proposal.
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It looks like they did mention the price tag in the polling question. Nevertheless, I’d agree that the public just wants something to be built. And I suspect the public doesn’t know any detailed information on the proposal.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Curiously, the Line 2 night bus runs faster than the subway does. Amazing how fast buses can go when you don’t have pesky cars in their way.
Juan_Lennon416
Senior Member
You are comparing Line 2 to the #300 Bloor-Danforth Blue Night bus route?
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W. K. Lis
Superstar
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
pstogios
Senior Member
Mods, can we separate the discussion about the Eglinton West LRT into a separate thread?
This one is supposed to be about the Crosstown LRT currently under construction.
This one is supposed to be about the Crosstown LRT currently under construction.
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
While you’re at it, make one for the Eglinton East LRT as well.
drum118
Superstar
Come 5 am December 13, riders are in for one rough ride for the rest of the week leaning how to use Kennedy Bus Terminal as well having POP ready to get on the buses from where the rider got on, not the station.
All riders using TTC 12, 21, 34E, 43, 57 and 131E must use the west end tunnel to get to the new bus bays for the next few years. All these routes as well the closure of the north entrance will be like this for the next few years to allow the building of the LRT station.
All these bus routes will turn left exiting the new area and will exit by Kennedy Rd exit only. All the rest of the routes will turn right onto Transit Way when exiting the current terminal, not like it is today. Even then, there is confusion on this change as some say it will happen on the 13th, while others say next year and this includes Metrolinx. The understanding I was told there today, once the new road is built off Eglinton, the current service road will be close.
Talk about confusion what is going to happen for the next 4 years is a understatement.
All riders using TTC 12, 21, 34E, 43, 57 and 131E must use the west end tunnel to get to the new bus bays for the next few years. All these routes as well the closure of the north entrance will be like this for the next few years to allow the building of the LRT station.
All these bus routes will turn left exiting the new area and will exit by Kennedy Rd exit only. All the rest of the routes will turn right onto Transit Way when exiting the current terminal, not like it is today. Even then, there is confusion on this change as some say it will happen on the 13th, while others say next year and this includes Metrolinx. The understanding I was told there today, once the new road is built off Eglinton, the current service road will be close.
Talk about confusion what is going to happen for the next 4 years is a understatement.
OneCity
Senior Member
While its nice to see, I really wouldn't take this poll too seriously.
This was done by the Nick Kouvalis polling company which if you know the history he has a personal vendetta against Ford, and has ties to the Tory campaign. So theres likely a keen interest to separate the moderate Tory on items that would favour Ford. I know Tory supported the review of the underground Eglinton West (he had to), but make no mistake this is a clear Ford agenda item in Ford country. While a few here don't believe pollsters are political tools that are used to try to subtly sway public opinion I firmly believe they are and have been for quite some time. Even Doug has found a more Ford friendly pollster here.
Keep on eye on the poll topics and the results from the different polling firms as the election rolls around. The reality is each candidate does their own internal polling to determine if their is real support, if most local politicians are campaigning on something which contradicts a certain poll, you likely can have a better idea of how people are likely to vote
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TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Nick Kouvalis is one Principal of Campaign Research. The other is Richard Ciano, who served as the VP of the Conservative Party of Canada, and President of the Progressive Conservative party of Ontario.
Does this mean that they both don't hate Ford? Nope. But it's just something to keep in mind whenever Campaign Research releases a poll, and people inevitably claim they favour the Liberals/Conservatives because Nick Kouvalis/Richard Ciano serve as the Principals.
OneCity
Senior Member
Im sure they want to bury him just for the new polling firm promotion alone on top of the bad blood, and alignment with Tory. I just wouldn't put too much weight in their polls yet as the ones showing Ford losing by such a large margin seem hard to believe considering the importance of transit in this City and what has changed since Tory barely snuck by him on a short election.
Back then Tory had an amazing 3 stop subway and 20+ stop Smarttrack plan. There is now a one stop subway, no secured funding for Eglinton East LRT which was a cornerstone of the one stop, and a neutered 6 stop Smartrack There is no way this has gained him support in Scarborough, and there is no way those who voted for him on the Left to avoid Ford are all that thrilled either. Interesting to see such a favorable gap in the polls. Tory has been a great ambassador, and has the keep moving vote but I believe its much closer than some want and are led to believe when head to head with Ford.
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TheTigerMaster
Superstar
I'm not sure if voters remember, or particularly care about the details of Tory's original transit plan. With the number of proposals we've had over the years, I can't blame the electorate for suffering from a severe case of transit-plan amnesia. At this point, I'm sure a lot of people just want something to be built.
WislaHD
Superstar
Sounds like people just want something built.
44 North
Senior Member
Yeah I think this is what I'd take away - both from the current general situation and the poll. The time for changing or looking to upgrade are long over, and people are kinda exhausted. Best to just get on with it, maybe one or two grade-separations. But just continue with the line as is, which is a huuuge upgrade and people will love.
Mm, night streetcars. Best ride in town.
Amare
Senior Member
I think we need to pin this to the thread for Yvan Baker and Michael Ford who seem to think people only want subways and underground transit.