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Toronto Crosstown LRT | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

TheTigerMaster said:
This would have to go though to Council for approval regardless.

And ML is in charge of building the Scarborough LRT (RT replacement)... we’ve seen how well that has gone
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The Scarborough LRT/subway or what have you is just in a league of it's own in terms of transit planning. The city and the province have screwed up that project so many times, the blame can be put on both parties equally.
 
Amare said:
The Scarborough LRT/subway or what have you is just in a league of it's own in terms of transit planning. The city and the province have screwed up that project so many times, the blame can be put on both parties equally.
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The Liberal Party is the only constant. We have gone through 3 mayors so it is hard to blame the City politicians (although our weak mayor system and the fact that all Councillor's get re-elected, are a large part of the problem).
 
robmausser said:
Even if grade separation isn't done, they need to stop putting LRTs in the median. It can be At-Grade but to one side of the roadway, separate from the road. Its a much better choice for an area like this.
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Is that not what they have done on Cheery St or Sumach?
 
BurlOak said:
The Liberal Party is the only constant. We have gone through 3 mayors so it is hard to blame the City politicians (although our weak mayor system and the fact that all Councillor's get re-elected, are a large part of the problem).
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For anyone who wants a stronger mayor system I have an irrefutable rebuttal in only two words: Rob Ford.
 
BurlOak said:
The Liberal Party is the only constant. We have gone through 3 mayors so it is hard to blame the City politicians (although our weak mayor system and the fact that all Councillor's get re-elected, are a large part of the problem).
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We can call it a weak mayor system all we want, but when Rob Ford decided to cancel LRT lines that the Province already spent over $150+ Million of our money studying, the Province respected that decision.

The Province should never have allowed the cancellation of so many projects where significant expenditures had already occurred. They should be able to build transit in unwilling municipalities if it serves regional interests. A good example of this is the Hurontario LRT and it's contested connection to Brampton GO station. This is a vital connection in the Western GTA that connects 3 heavy rail lines. The Province has the right to override Brampton Council's decision, but they chose not to.

If Doug Ford were to win in the next election, and if he were to propose cancelling all the David Miller LRT lines that John Tory resurrected, precedent shows that the Province would bow to the request.
 
Don’t forget the mayhem that Karen Stinz (a Councillor, and potential mayoral wannabe) and the Glen DeB factions have wreaked on Council’s transit decisions. Frankly, the Matlow faction has driven some diversions of its own.
Toronto has certainly been poorly served by its Mayors on the transit file ( I still rank Lastman as the most egregious of all, with his self centered wasting of the little money the City was able to earmark for transit on a self serving Sheppard Line that went nowhere) ..... mayors may have been in the center of the ring, but Council has contributed its share of lions and elephants and a few dozen trapese artists to this ongoing circus.

- Paul
 
MisterF said:
For anyone who wants a stronger mayor system I have an irrefutable rebuttal in only two words: Rob Ford.
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Let's not forget the PC government at the time forced the RT project on the TTC to start just so that they can have a show-off, so if anyone wanted to find "guilt", there is plenty to be had.

crs1026 said:
Don’t forget the mayhem that Karen Stinz (a Councillor, and potential mayoral wannabe) and the Glen DeB factions have wreaked on Council’s transit decisions. Frankly, the Matlow faction has driven some diversions of its own.
Toronto has certainly been poorly served by its Mayors on the transit file ( I still rank Lastman as the most egregious of all, with his self centered wasting of the little money the City was able to earmark for transit on a self serving Sheppard Line that went nowhere) ..... mayors may have been in the center of the ring, but Council has contributed its share of lions and elephants and a few dozen trapese artists to this ongoing circus.
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Also let's not forget it was Harris that humoured Lastman (and both the Liberals and NDP before him messed around the transit plans for political reasons as well). Toronto mayors don't build anything transit-related without provincial blessing in the form of cash (and often trade their souls in the process - see David Miller and the Spadina extension). And if you want to go further, the current tension is institutionalized (not created - because it has always been there) by amalgamation.

AoD
 
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nfitz said:
And yet travel times are slower on 509 now it's on the side of the road, because of the extra lights and crossings.
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The 509 is a streetcar, not an LRT. It was done incorrectly without the proper ROW separation.

This is what an LRT on the side of the road in a proper ROW looks like

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robmausser said:
The 509 is a streetcar, not an LRT. It was done incorrectly without the proper ROW separation.

This is what an LRT on the side of the road in a proper ROW looks like

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But how are emergency vehicles suppose to use the ROW? /s

Really though, why is that such high of a priority when it comes to at-grade own right of way transit? Also, what's with calling it the "Waterfront LRT" when it is the Waterfront Streetcar?
 
Leo_Chan said:
But how are emergency vehicles suppose to use the ROW? /s

Really though, why is that such high of a priority when it comes to at-grade own right of way transit? Also, what's with calling it the "Waterfront LRT" when it is the Waterfront Streetcar?
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Emergency vehicles using the ROW is a joke since QQW open. I have yet to see one use it since day one, but seen a fair number using the road in place of the ROW of all things with no streetcars on the ROW.

Grass was supposed to be used for the ROW than open tracks as noted in the photo above.

Speed has fallen for various reason, but most of all for pedestrians at various intersections, as well walking on the ROW. You even gets cars blocking the ROW from time to time since they ignore the stop location or the lights.
 
crs1026 said:
Does this have a date to go to Council? All I have found is the fairly non-technical documentation from the consultation.

I am wondering if any more technical analysis was done and if this suppoting documentation is going to see the public eye before the Council debate.

- Paul
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Silly me. I forgot that the Eglinton West extension of Crosstown is actually a Smarttrack project. It's about to go to Council, just went to EC. The supporting documents are here.

- Paul
 
TheTigerMaster said:
There's a lot of new material at the EELRT project website. In particular, they're considering grade separating the Kingston/Morningside/Lawrence intersection, among other improvements: https://eglintoneastlrt.ca/current-work/kingston-road-lawrence-morningside/
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I don't understand this.
  1. Option 2 to 5 shows an LRT extension East on Lawrence - where did that come from or where is it going?
  2. Option 3 says 1 stop on Kingston Road and 2nd stop on Morningside - although it also shows a stop on Lawrence.
  3. Option 4 says its grade-separated at BOTH intersections, but it shows the path along Kingston-Lawrence-Morningside, which has 3 intersections. Which are the 2 intersections, or did they mean to show it along only Kingston and Morningside?
  4. Option 4 says its grade-separated at BOTH intersections, but it shows the path along Kingston-Lawrence-Morningside, which has 3 intersections. Which are the 2 intersections, or did they mean to show it along only Kingston and Morningside? It also shows 3 stops, although the words say only 1 stop under Kingston Road.
  5. Option 5 shows 3 stops, although the words say only 1 stop under Morningside.
  6. Option 4 and 5. It doesn't really show where the portals are located.
 
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