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[Leo_Chan]

I don't understand this.

1. Option 2 to 5 shows an LRT extension East on Lawrence - where did that come from or where is it going?
2. Option 3 says 1 stop on Kingston Road and 2nd stop on Morningside - although it also shows a stop on Lawrence.
3. Option 4 says its grade-separated at BOTH intersections, but it shows the path along Kingston-Lawrence-Morningside, which has 3 intersections. Which are the 2 intersections, or did they mean to show it along only Kingston and Morningside?
4. Option 4 says its grade-separated at BOTH intersections, but it shows the path along Kingston-Lawrence-Morningside, which has 3 intersections. Which are the 2 intersections, or did they mean to show it along only Kingston and Morningside? It also shows 3 stops, although the words say only 1 stop under Kingston Road.
5. Option 5 shows 3 stops, although the words say only 1 stop under Morningside.
6. Option 4 and 5. It doesn't really show where the portals are located.

IKR, the page is so unrefined. So many confusing details.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

I couldn’t figure it out when I looked at it this morning. I was hoping one of you smart folk would know what was going on.

Might have to email whoever manages the Crosstown East page about this. I think they posted the images in the incorrect locations.

 

[CapitalSeven]

Clearly messed up some of the illustrations. They'll fix it eventually.

 

[W. K. Lis]

If the Humber College stop for the Finch West LRT is to be below grade, why can't the Martin Grove stop on the Eglinton West LRT be one as well?

 

[BurlOak]

I couldn’t figure it out when I looked at it this morning. I was hoping one of you smart folk would know what was going on.

Might have to email whoever manages the Crosstown East page about this. I think they posted the images in the incorrect locations.

How can anyone have confidence in this upcoming design.
This isn't a typo of adding a "g" to Eglinton, it makes the entire set of options confusing and wrong and the reader does not really have an idea of what is being proposed.

 

[MisterF]

So let's see if I have the Eglinton situation right:

• Grade separated BRT from downtown Mississauga to Renforth
• At grade LRT that stops at red lights from Renforth to Black Creek (now there's talk of a tunnel)
  
• Underground LRT that runs like a subway from Black Creek to Laird
• At grade LRT that stops at red lights from Laird to Kennedy
• At grade LRT with possible grade separations from Kennedy to UTSC

Jesus.

The talk of a tunnel west of Black Creek is just as bad as having an in-median LRT that stops at red lights. The right of way is so wide open that there's plenty of space to build a decent transit line on the surface. The LRT on the suburban parts of Eglinton and Finch should operate like this and this. Tunnels and elevated sections where required, but lots of at-grade intersections too where the LRT sails right through with zero conflicts. No stopping at red lights, no waiting for cars to turn left. Take note, Toronto.

 

[DopeyFish]

The Liberal Party is the only constant. We have gone through 3 mayors so it is hard to blame the City politicians (although our weak mayor system and the fact that all Councillor's get re-elected, are a large part of the problem).

But the Liberals have not been the problem. They said we'll fund it. Then the city cancels transit city. Then it's back on. They said we'll fund it. Then the Subway thing comez up. Then they said we'll fund it. Just make up your mind.

The issue isn't the funding aspect. The problem is our transit is a political tool instead of community planning as part of growth processes.

 

[Hopkins123]

So let's see if I have the Eglinton situation right:

• Grade separated BRT from downtown Mississauga to Renforth
• At grade LRT that stops at red lights from Renforth to Black Creek (now there's talk of a tunnel)
  
• Underground LRT that runs like a subway from Black Creek to Laird
• At grade LRT that stops at red lights from Laird to Kennedy
• At grade LRT with possible grade separations from Kennedy to UTSC

Jesus.

The talk of a tunnel west of Black Creek is just as bad as having an in-median LRT that stops at red lights. The right of way is so wide open that there's plenty of space to build a decent transit line on the surface. The LRT on the suburban parts of Eglinton and Finch should operate like this and this. Tunnels and elevated sections where required, but lots of at-grade intersections too where the LRT sails right through with zero conflicts. No stopping at red lights, no waiting for cars to turn left. Take note, Toronto.

If there's any corridor in Toronto that's deserving of full and complete grade-separated rapid transit from end to end, start to finish, it's Eglinton. The Eglinton segment of the Mississauga Transitway is the standard bearer of what should be emulated and replicated throughout the Etobicoke and Scarborough segments of the Crosstown Line. Anything less is just limiting the true potential of the Crosstown for generations to come.

 

[W. K. Lis]

This is repeating a finding from 2016, from toronto.ca at this link:

Transportation Services used third-party traffic data to identify these 10 congestion hotspots, measuring the traffic speed during the morning or afternoon peak period against free-flow conditions.

The following intersections were identified as congestion hotspots:
• Eglinton Avenue West and Martin Grove Road (Wards 3 and 4)
• Lawrence Avenue West and Black Creek Drive (Ward 12)
• St. Clair Avenue East and Mount Pleasant Avenue (Ward 22 and 27)
• Finch Avenue and Yonge Street (Wards 23 and 24)
• Sheppard Avenue and Yonge Street (Ward 23)
• Bloor Street East and Parliament Avenue (Ward 27 and 28)
• O'Connor Drive and Don Mills Road (Ward 29)
• Eastern Avenue and Carlaw Avenue (Ward 30)
• Finch Avenue East and Victoria Park Avenue (Wards 33, 39 and 40)
• Kingston Road and Lawrence Avenue East (Ward 43)

The City has studied these intersections to identify potential measures to reduce delays for road users and to improve safety, including:
• traffic signal retiming for peak periods
• turn restrictions
• left-turn advance green
• increasing length of green time
• installing a closed-circuit television (CCTV) camera.
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Two of them are part of the Eglinton LRT extensions in the west end and in the east end.

Those two, Martin Grove & Eglinton West and Lawrence Avenue East & Kingston Road, should have the LRT grade separated.

 

[Voltz]

But the Liberals have not been the problem. They said we'll fund it. Then the city cancels transit city. Then it's back on. They said we'll fund it. Then the Subway thing comez up. Then they said we'll fund it. Just make up your mind.

The issue isn't the funding aspect. The problem is our transit is a political tool instead of community planning as part of growth processes.

The liberals have been a large part of the problem, when they delayed and shortened the Transit City lines in 2010, it was the beginning of the latest era of political vote pandering, cancelling, delays, foot dragging and other garbage. It allowed for the SSE come in and screw everything up, and for nothing to happen on Sheppard.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

The liberals have been a large part of the problem, when they delayed and shortened the Transit City lines in 2010, it was the beginning of the latest era of political vote pandering, cancelling, delays, foot dragging and other garbage. It allowed for the SSE come in and screw everything up, and for nothing to happen on Sheppard.

Remember, Ford didn't cancel Transit City. McGunity did.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Remember, Ford didn't cancel Transit City. McGunity did.

Reference?

See link from December 1, 2010.

Toronto Mayor Rob Ford said Wednesday that he is forging ahead with his plan to scrap the controversial Transit City plan.

The tough-talking mayor, who made transportation a major part of his election platform, proclaimed that the $8.15-billion plan, which calls for the construction of new light-rail lines, is dead.

"On Dec. 8, our new transit commission members will be appointed. Their first task will be to formally stop spending on a project we do not need anymore," Ford said at a news conference after officially taking over the reins of the city.

"Transit City is over, ladies and gentlemen."...

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Reference?

See link from December 1, 2010.

Transit City was a project funded and delivered by the Provincial government. The Mayor of Toronto does not have the authority to cancel a Provincial project. Ford didn’t have the legal ability to cancel Transit City; only McGuinty did. Ford could say Transit City was cancled all he wanted to, but it wasn’t cancled until McGuinty pulled the plug.

 

[Voltz]

Transit City was a project funded and delivered by the Provincial government. The Mayor of Toronto does not have the authority to cancel a Provincial project. Ford didn’t have the legal ability to cancel Transit City; only McGuinty did. Ford could say Transit City was cancled all he wanted to, but it wasn’t cancled until McGuinty pulled the plug.

Transit City was actually a City/TTC project back then, Ford came in like a bully and forced city staff to stop working on it without any authority, he was so popular and feared when he first came in that managers probably had no choice. Ford would have found a way to get rid of them.

It wasn't until a few years later that the province wanted to take it over and use their time wasting AFP P3 crap that required repeating much of the work that was already done by the city.

But McGunity still holds much of the blame for the mess transit is in, he could have told Ford to get lost, and his earlier cutbacks allowed for the situation to begin with.

 

[DopeyFish]

Transit City was a project funded and delivered by the Provincial government. The Mayor of Toronto does not have the authority to cancel a Provincial project. Ford didn’t have the legal ability to cancel Transit City; only McGuinty did. Ford could say Transit City was cancled all he wanted to, but it wasn’t cancled until McGuinty pulled the plug.

They were merely going along with Ford and council. They aren't going to make a project in which the city does not want.

You're misplacing the blame. There's a reason why the province is coming back to fund the old Transit City projects as they come back to the table. Money is finite so we'd have had more on the table if that dumb SSE and SmartTrack weren't prioritized. Could have had most of the remaining ones funded leaving the Jane LRT and Don Mills LRT (presumably will be replaced with DRL) the remaining ones left unfunded.

Just because they could override the municipalities doesn't mean they are expected to. (Also see: brampton portion of Hurontario-Main LRT).

Also Transit City was Dave Miller's/TTC's project, not the provinces.