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[kotsy]

 

[Northern Light]

Just a couple from a brief walk today, January 17th, 2025:

 

[Rascacielo]

Today

 

[Otis_YVR]

Cladding alert?

: @Rascacielo

Edit: Never mind, can’t seem to post a photo today. Take a look at @Rascacielo last shot, on top of the heritage section of the Yonge frontage (between the second and third columns on the left).

 

[Rascacielo]

Cladding alert?

: @Rascacielo

Edit: Never mind, can’t seem to post a photo today. Take a look at @Rascacielo last shot, on top of the heritage section of the Yonge frontage (between the second and third columns on the left).

That may be a stack of cladding ready to be installed. I guess we’ll see in the coming week. If they’re spandrels, I bet they’re grey (because any other colour would violate city’s bylaw to keep Toronto depressing)

 

[OpenClosed]

Any info on the official height?
I see some sources say 299m and some say 300m, any official confirmation about the height?

 

[Koops65]

It depends on where it's measured from...

 

[rbt]

Any info on the official height?
I see some sources say 299m and some say 300m, any official confirmation about the height?

Both are correct as the land has a slight slope. The city, and Urban Toronto, measure (IIRC) from the highest ground elevation which is one of the north corners in this case [299m]. CTBUH measures from the lowest public entrance which is close to the south-west corner [300.2m].

CTBUH, what started as a Chicago oriented organization, needed lowest public entrance due to elevated roadways. The main public entrance might be 12m above ground. IMO, underground public floors should count as those are some of the most expensive floors, but Chicago mostly has above-ground parking so that doesn't help them out. They were also careful to define spire to include removable antennae mounted on 2 specific Chicago buildings but not removable antennae on top of buildings in some other cities. A number of new buildings have been designed around these rules; to maximize height in an official way but minimize cost; like Burj Kalifa being 30% unoccupied height (the rule limit).

 

[Mihairokov]

Gonna have to make the pilgrimage and hit up the Zanzibar Shelby's.

 

[Johnny Au]

January 20, 2025:

 

[UrbanAffair]

Both are correct as the land has a slight slope. The city, and Urban Toronto, measure (IIRC) from the highest ground elevation which is one of the north corners in this case [299m]. CTBUH measures from the lowest public entrance which is close to the south-west corner [300.2m].

CTBUH, what started as a Chicago oriented organization, needed lowest public entrance due to elevated roadways. The main public entrance might be 12m above ground. IMO, underground public floors should count as those are some of the most expensive floors, but Chicago mostly has above-ground parking so that doesn't help them out. They were also careful to define spire to include removable antennae mounted on 2 specific Chicago buildings but not removable antennae on top of buildings in some other cities. A number of new buildings have been designed around these rules; to maximize height in an official way but minimize cost; like Burj Kalifa being 30% unoccupied height (the rule limit).

OT, but that's actually really interesting. So, they counted the spires on top of the Willis tower and J.Hancock, but not on say something like FCP? I will admit the Chicago spires appear cleaner and more permanent.

I had no idea that CTBUH had Chicago origins. I did always feel like it was a semi-official organization, but I never gave it much weight on the topics on which it aimed to set the standard. It's approach always felt arbitrary.

 

[OpenClosed]

OT, but that's actually really interesting. So, they counted the spires on top of the Willis tower and J.Hancock, but not on say something like FCP? I will admit the Chicago spires appear cleaner and more permanent.

I had no idea that CTBUH had Chicago origins. I did always feel like it was a semi-official organization, but I never gave it much weight on the topics on which it aimed to set the standard. Its approach always felt arbitrary.

I will never understand why the antennas on FCP weren’t counted, they’re one of the most defining features of the tower, imagine it without them
Same logic applies for the mentioned skyscrapers in Chicago, if they count. Why dosent FCP?

 

[Rascacielo]

I will never understand why the antennas on FCP weren’t counted, they’re one of the most defining features of the tower, imagine it without them
Same logic applies for the mentioned skyscrapers in Chicago, if they count. Why dosent FCP?

I think the spires of the Chicago towers were an integral part of the building's architectural plans (the same goes for Burj Khalifa, Empire State Building, etc), whereas the FCP antennas were probably not part of the original design. I know it's kinda cheating to boost height with spires even if they are part of the design, but if they include antennas, cellphone towers and such (especially those added after the towers are occupied), developers may try to outdo each other by adding such structures to already completed towers.

 

[OpenClosed]

OT, but that's actually really interesting. So, they counted the spires on top of the Willis tower and J.Hancock, but not on say something like FCP? I will admit the Chicago spires appear cleaner and more permanent.

I had no idea that CTBUH had Chicago origins. I did always feel like it was a semi-official organization, but I never gave it much weight on the topics on which it aimed to set the standard. It's approach always felt arbitrary.

I think the spires of the Chicago towers were an integral part of the building's architectural plans (the same goes for Burj Khalifa, Empire State Building, etc), whereas the FCP antennas were probably not part of the original design. I know it's kinda cheating to boost height with spires even if they are part of the design, but if they include antennas, cellphone towers and such (especially those added after the towers are occupied), developers may try to outdo each other by adding such structures to already completed towers.

That checks out, I doubt the architects on the sears tower or JHC ever thought of not including the antennas, it’d look awful

 

[christiesplits]

Anyone have timeline for completion? Early 2026?