Toronto Bayview Village Redevelopment | 113.99m | 30s | bcIMC | DIALOG

[steveve]

This is the kind of site that 10 years from now, with all of this built out, will be upgrading the interior of the mall while applying to redevelop other parts of the site. This won't be the end of redevelopment here.

42

I’d imagine once they establish a sizeable underground parking network on the both sites of expansion, they can proceed to demo the two levels of parking fronting Sheppard for a future-future expansion. After Arc Condo was built in the late 2000’s and then the massive Origin Restaurant a few years later, it has been increasingly hard to see the mall from either main streets (the sunken elevation doesn’t help).
Hard to picture how exactly Bayview Village would approach doing it, but perhaps more condos fronting Sheppard with one or two grand entrances. At that point, Bayview Village could be twice the size it is now, and would have to welcome larger and more mainstream brands to fill those spaces - quite the opposite of what it’s known for... but that looks like the direction it’s headed, slowly.

 

[steveve]

So... Chapters apparently closed rather suddenly and is not re-opening. A bit sad, since it’s been here for so long. Starbucks probably got the scoop ahead of time when they opened a stand-alone store in the mall last year.
While this doesn’t have anything to do with the condo development in question, it may open the possibilities for a future redevelopment on that end of the lot. I couldn’t find a thread for Bayview Village (the mall).

https://www.blogto.com/arts/2018/01/chapters-store-suddenly-shuts-down-toronto/

 

[PMT]

This has been appealed to the LPAT. A pre-hearing is scheduled for October 17, 2018: https://www.omb.gov.on.ca/ecs/CaseDetail.aspx?n=PL180148

 

[PMT]

A settlement hearing is scheduled at the LPAT for April 24, 2019: https://www.omb.gov.on.ca/ecs/CaseDetail.aspx?n=PL180148

 

[sunnyraytoronto]

In preparation of Spring settlement hearing,.... there'll be an Open House later this month to introduce new site plan. There's been some reconfiguration so the small park in northeast corner of original proposal will become a larger 1-acre park in the same northeast corner.

Image of original site plan with small park in northeast corner:

 

[Edward Skira]

More like a widened sidewalk than a park.

They should put a park on top of the parking garage along Sheppard (add another floor). A mini North York version of the rail deck.

 

[innsertnamehere]

^If only Toronto accepted strata parks.. They don't though, so that's not possible.

 

[11th]

This is the updated site plan. Notable change at the NE corner.

 

[Marcanadian]

An offer to settle the appeals has been made and details of the new plan have been made public:

• One-acre park now proposed at the northeast corner;
• 19-storey rental has been shifted south and the tower element is now directly beside the existing 19-storey building;
• Floor plate of the 19-storey building has been reduced to 750 square metres;
• Ground floor of the two six-storey buildings now has residences fronting Bayview Mews Lane;
• Podium of 33- and 28-storey towers reduced to six storeys from eight storeys and its footprint reduced by 500 square metres;
• Reduced podium allows for a larger open space area along the east side of the podium, which now includes a POPS adjacent to the proposed park;
• Floor plate of the 33- and 28-storey towers reduced to 795 square metres.

Reduction in total number of units from 1,132 to 1,036, but an increase in the number of three-bedroom units from 48 to 103:

http://app.toronto.ca/DevelopmentAp...icationsList.do?action=init&folderRsn=4218053

 

[Northern Light]

An offer to settle the appeals has been made and details of the new plan have been made public:

• One-acre park now proposed at the northeast corner;
• 19-storey rental has been shifted south and the tower element is now directly beside the existing 19-storey building;
• Floor plate of the 19-storey building has been reduced to 750 square metres;
• Ground floor of the two six-storey buildings now has residences fronting Bayview Mews Lane;
• Podium of 33- and 28-storey towers reduced to six storeys from eight storeys and its footprint reduced by 500 square metres;
• Reduced podium allows for a larger open space area along the east side of the podium, which now includes a POPS adjacent to the proposed park;
• Floor plate of the 33- and 28-storey towers reduced to 795 square metres.

Reduction in total number of units from 1,132 to 1,036, but an increase in the number of three-bedroom units from 48 to 103:

View attachment 164350
View attachment 164351
View attachment 164359View attachment 164358
View attachment 164360View attachment 164361
View attachment 164353View attachment 164354View attachment 164355View attachment 164356View attachment 164357
View attachment 164362View attachment 164363
View attachment 164365View attachment 164366

http://app.toronto.ca/DevelopmentAp...icationsList.do?action=init&folderRsn=4218053

A marked improvement. But overall the proposal still isn't nearly as good as it should or could be. The retention of the existing building mars the site potential.

The remaining surface parking, particularly on the Sheppard frontage is a sin.

I'm still not sold on the way the new building on Sheppard handles the relationship to the street.

Just to add a thanks to @Marcanadian for such a thorough and clear post!

 

[TheKingEast]

Love how HP is not afraid of curves.

 

[11th]

A marked improvement. But overall the proposal still isn't nearly as good as it should or could be. The retention of the existing building mars the site potential.

The remaining surface parking, particularly on the Sheppard frontage is a sin.

I'm still not sold on the way the new building on Sheppard handles the relationship to the street.

Just to add a thanks to @Marcanadian for such a thorough and clear post!

It's definitely in the right direction. They are demolishing part of the mall that houses LCBO and the Gap for the condo, so I wouldn't call it a true retention of the existing building (although, that was really the former separate Kmart building). They aren't going to tear down the entire mall and start from scratch a la Don Mills Centre - especially a profitable one.

As for the remaining parking lot, I'm not sure what they should do with it. Do we need even more condos?

 

[tstormers]

It's definitely in the right direction. They are demolishing part of the mall that houses LCBO and the Gap for the condo, so I wouldn't call it a true retention of the existing building (although, that was really the former separate Kmart building). They aren't going to tear down the entire mall and start from scratch a la Don Mills Centre - especially a profitable one.

As for the remaining parking lot, I'm not sure what they should do with it. Do we need even more condos?

It is a parking structure with 2 levels of parking, so not just an easy shift to something else. Though I would agree they could have done something better with that corner. Also, let's not forget this is a car centric area, even with subway access so close.

 

[interchange42]

Changes to the rest of the mall and parking lots could come in future phases. No need to do it all at once.

Do we need even more condos?

We need more housing, yes, lots of it.

42

 

[sunnyraytoronto]

Do we need even more condos?

We need more housing, yes, lots of it.

Actually, what the area needs is a balance between housing and more office development so people can live, work and play in the same area without being forced to commute jamming highway and transit infrastructures.


As with the nearby North York Center Secondary Plan area (Yonge corridor between 401 to north of Cummer/Drewry north of Finch), since amalgamation 20 years ago, there's been 60 new residential condo towers built but only one office tower,... creating a Vertical Sleeping Community where majority of locals jam Roads & Subway to commute out of area for work!

That huge imbalance created by large increase in residential condo development VS office development is exactly what we're seeing here along Sheppard East now. In fact, there hasn't even been any office development built in this area recently - no new employment area,... the proposed Concord Adex office tower near Leslie Station for Canadian Tire head office never materialized,.... and one of the area's larger office towers at 1200 Sheppard (northwest corner of Sheppard and Leslie) demolished recently for future 5 condo towers!
https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...mexon-43-2x-39-34-2x-27s-core-planning.18715/