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Hydrogen
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She's actually quite famous for her Canadian coinage. Since money rules us to a degree... 
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Doyenne
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I think you guys are forgetting a major detail.
I just stumbled onto this thread for the first time. Firstly, I'm surprised that everyone keeps referring to the Monarchy as the Queen. It is the royal member who is on the thrown who's head will be on our coin. Therefore when Lizzy steps down, we get Charles or Prince William. And for me, unless we get Prince Harry in his Nazi Halloween outfit, am not interested in any of these people. They all seem like rich B-celebrities who get more coverage in trashy mags then the proud royalty of the past.
I'd rather see Canadians on our currency, not some toff relatives of people who plundered the world. Sure they kept us Canucks from being Yanks, but that was a long time ago. And maybe we could have one of the coins left with Elisabeth's head on there (if she would allow it, I'm sure she would insist it be the head of state though).
Personally, I think much of our connection is now lost. You just have to stand in line (cue) at UK Passport control to see it. All us commonweath subjects get questioned in the 'Other' line when the EU members just pass though by just holding up their passports. I really feel for the Ausi's and Kiwi's since they're subjected (pun intended) to this 'Other' line when they're flag still has the union jack on it! But I'm sure the Ausi's will have the guts to get rid of the royalty when the queen steps down. Hell, it looks like the UK will get rid of the Monarchy too. Hey, maybe the Monarchy will escape to Canada like they were prepared to do in WW2.
So, I think this question of keeping the monarchy should also have the footnote explaining that when the Queen steps down (or kicks it), we will have a King and his head will be on the loony.
So which dude will it be:
OK, all you monarchists, which one of these men--that have very little to do with Canada--do you want on the Canadian money?
(And what's all this about the Metric system? What the hell does that have to do with the Monarchy?)
I just stumbled onto this thread for the first time. Firstly, I'm surprised that everyone keeps referring to the Monarchy as the Queen. It is the royal member who is on the thrown who's head will be on our coin. Therefore when Lizzy steps down, we get Charles or Prince William. And for me, unless we get Prince Harry in his Nazi Halloween outfit, am not interested in any of these people. They all seem like rich B-celebrities who get more coverage in trashy mags then the proud royalty of the past.
I'd rather see Canadians on our currency, not some toff relatives of people who plundered the world. Sure they kept us Canucks from being Yanks, but that was a long time ago. And maybe we could have one of the coins left with Elisabeth's head on there (if she would allow it, I'm sure she would insist it be the head of state though).
Personally, I think much of our connection is now lost. You just have to stand in line (cue) at UK Passport control to see it. All us commonweath subjects get questioned in the 'Other' line when the EU members just pass though by just holding up their passports. I really feel for the Ausi's and Kiwi's since they're subjected (pun intended) to this 'Other' line when they're flag still has the union jack on it! But I'm sure the Ausi's will have the guts to get rid of the royalty when the queen steps down. Hell, it looks like the UK will get rid of the Monarchy too. Hey, maybe the Monarchy will escape to Canada like they were prepared to do in WW2.
So, I think this question of keeping the monarchy should also have the footnote explaining that when the Queen steps down (or kicks it), we will have a King and his head will be on the loony.
So which dude will it be:
OK, all you monarchists, which one of these men--that have very little to do with Canada--do you want on the Canadian money?
(And what's all this about the Metric system? What the hell does that have to do with the Monarchy?)
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Dublinproud
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Would love to see Canada ditch this and become its own Country and honour its own people!
Tewder
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Canada wouldn't exist without England and its protection (War of Independence, War of 1812, anyone?) British North America, including the 'french' (whose language and religion were protected by the crown, by the way), would have all succumbed to manifest destiny years ago...and we all know how minorities have fared there since (see how the RCMP treated aboriginals vs the US cavalry)...
Canada evolved peacefully into its own sovereignty, still under the protection of the English crown. The constitutional monarchy we have now is purely symbolic, one that stands as much for 'peace, order and good government' as for anything else. This is the legacy of Canada's historic origins with the 'evil' crown, and is what has made Canada the place it is today, the very place that people from all over the world apparantly would like to come to. To ignore all of this is to ignore not only our history, but who we are today.
Canada evolved peacefully into its own sovereignty, still under the protection of the English crown. The constitutional monarchy we have now is purely symbolic, one that stands as much for 'peace, order and good government' as for anything else. This is the legacy of Canada's historic origins with the 'evil' crown, and is what has made Canada the place it is today, the very place that people from all over the world apparantly would like to come to. To ignore all of this is to ignore not only our history, but who we are today.
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speaking about royalty, that zara phillips is cute...
http://ca.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=Zara+Phillips&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8
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http://ca.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=Zara+Phillips&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8
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Doyenne
Princess Edward blew into town for a few days - I think he's left the COW behind in England.
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Hydrogen
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We're not slaves to history (as selective as it is). The country can evolve.
Tewder
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That's just it, the symbolism of the monarchy has never stopped Canada from evolving, and though we may have evolved differently without it, would it have necessarily been better?
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Doyenne
Of course it would. What have the Hanoverians ever done for us?
adma
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Uh...make kitchens?
Brandon716
Senior Member
Here's an idea for a $20 replacement.
Tewder
Senior Member
Well I'm not a specialist in this, and this is definitely not my area, but some thoughts nonetheless...
A cursory look at the discourse on this in Australia shows some evidence that constitutional monarchies are in fact very strong and very stable forms of government, and perhaps even more so than republics.
The monarch is the only part of the government that is purely non-partisan and non-political, neither elected nor appointed, and can be said to truly represent all Canadians in a way that a politician does not.
The monarch is essentially a state figurehead and public servant, the royal trappings are more to do with history and heritage than anything else. Many feel that a monarch is in a better position to be a non-partisan figurehead or public servant than an elected politician.
The monarch is a symbol of national stability and longevity that transcends political crises.
The monarch is part of Canadian heritage and history since 1759.
The monarch represents the 'collectivity' over the supremacy of the republican 'individual'. Canada as a nation relies on this social collectivity for its survival to a far greater extent than many other nations with smaller land masses and larger populations.
Finally, for me the most compelling argument I could find is that I just simply like Queens
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Hydrogen
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So which is it? The symbolism never stopped the country from evolving (making it irrelevant), or that the symbolism influenced the evolution?