Rainforest
Senior Member
Bayview? The subway already exists between Yonge and Don Mills; Bayview is in the middle of it.
Do you mean "Subway from Sheppard West to Victoria Park"? Not likely to happen either, but at least technically possible.
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Sheppard Line 4 Subway Extension (Proposed)
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Bayview? The subway already exists between Yonge and Don Mills; Bayview is in the middle of it.
Do you mean "Subway from Sheppard West to Victoria Park"? Not likely to happen either, but at least technically possible.
kEiThZ
Superstar
The attraction of living at Sheppard/McCowan is access to the subway. Whether there is one line or two doesn't substantially change what will get built there. Developers will build as many units at that intersection as they can get away with.
Northern Light
Superstar
@smallspy may know better than I............
But my recollection is that before the last expansion, which allowed for storing trains needed for Vaughan, there was consideration of adding 14 storage tracks (read storage for 14 full trains).
I believe only 8 were built, suggesting room for six more. That is clearly not enough, on its own.
However, a contemplated (but not yet funded) new MSF for the Yonge North extension would see some of the trains stored at Wilson shifted over, likely leaving sufficient space. Storage in the tail tracks would also be feasible for a few trains.
Rainforest
Senior Member
Maybe; if you only look at connecting Malvern Centre to UTSC.
But, the Neilson - Sheppard - Morningside route would also serve those riders who want to go from Malvern Centre to the subways, taking the shortest path. Traffic is not a big issue, if LRT runs in the middle lanes and never in mixed traffic.
Again, this option is better for some trips, worse for other trips. A one-seat LRT ride from the Sheppard Subway terminus to UTSC is preferable for those travelling to UTSC from the northern Scarborough, or from North York.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Honestly, I don't see the value of an STC terminus.
1) Kills the possibility of extension.
2) The value of STC as a local bus hub will diminish post Line 2 extension as the bus hub for Agincourt, Malvern and Markham moves to Sheppard/McCowan.
3) Probably more expensive.
I say 2A.
1) Kills the possibility of extension.
2) The value of STC as a local bus hub will diminish post Line 2 extension as the bus hub for Agincourt, Malvern and Markham moves to Sheppard/McCowan.
3) Probably more expensive.
I say 2A.
christiesplits
Senior Member
Sorry, yep, I meant Don Mills. I'm not *that* crazy.
Rainforest
Senior Member
I just voted: marked 2A "Very Positive", the other 3 options "Positive". Added stations at Birchmount and Midland (I know, my vote probably won't change anything).
kEiThZ
Superstar
Post-Line 2 and Sheppard extension nobody will be taking an LRT to connect to a subway at Kennedy. They would take a bus to McCowan station and have two options there. This is why I say connecting EELRT to MTC is largely redundant. I don't think they should bother unless it's a Sheppard branch of some kind.
This is doable with a bus from McCowan or STC.
Northern Light
Superstar
There are many reasons to prefer the idea of staying on Sheppard, but this is not one.
The SRT ROW would provide a straight forward path east up to Progress, between Bellamy and Markham, from there, the route would have a logical next destination of Centennial College Progress Campus, with other route options beyond (serving Centenary Hospital, and UTSC)
I'm not advocating that choice, to be clear, but its certainly a viable one.
I cannot envision a scenario in which Line 4 would not be above-ground at STC, if that choice were made.
That being said, all of those potential trip generators can still be hit by Line 4 remaining on Sheppard as far east as Markham Road. East of Markham it would have to diverge.
Staying on Sheppard also provides the alternative option of running north into Malvern via the old Canadian Northern ROW which is still intact between Sheppard and Malvern Town Center.
There are arguments for either choice.
kEiThZ
Superstar
The way I see it 2B kinda screws over North Scarborough and Markham for subway access to only improve regional travel marginally. This has the feel of the LRT vs subway debate all over again where a bunch of people who don't live in the area are prioritizing goals other than local benefits.
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Hyperreal.Edwin
New Member
Are they at all considering it to go from Sheppard west to Morningside and Sheppard? If not, why? Would they have to build another Maintenance facility?
T3G
Senior Member
I don't see the point of extending it out that far. There's nothing there, very little in terms of density and no trip generators. If you're bothering to go east of MCC you might as well commit and extend it all the way down to Rouge Hill to connect with the GO train.
Incidentally, speaking of cross-regional travel, this is one of the biggest areas of failure for the TTC subway in my opinion. I really wish we had copied NYC and instituted a 4 track express/local set up from the get go. It would have been a help on Yonge, a help on Bloor, and especially on these suburban subway extensions. This set up IMO is the worst of all worlds; you have all the discomfort of a TTC subway, but the stop spacing of a cross regional service that does SFA for the local community. If I was one of the poor schmucks who live in the transit wastelands between stops I would not be remotely convinced that this instead of the LRT was a better option.
kEiThZ
Superstar
I assume it's optioned this way on purpose. You either want to go deeper in Scarborough and get a one-seat ride to Yonge or you want a one seat ride all along Scarborough and North York from McCowan to Sheppard West.
micheal_can
Senior Member
ARG1
Senior Member
The one thing I'll say in favour of STC is the fact that its the terminus of the DSBRT, and extending Line 4 there would mean being able to continue directly westward without having to divert 1 stop on Line 2.
However I'm not sure if that alone exceeds the value of... everything else.