CowboyLogic
Active Member
I was asking CowboyLogic about the video of Rob Ford at this cottage, that he said the Star has published.
I didn't say that. I said the KFC video was TMZ-style tabloid-journalism, as is following him to his cottage.
I was asking CowboyLogic about the video of Rob Ford at this cottage, that he said the Star has published.
I didn't say that. I said the KFC video was TMZ-style tabloid-journalism, as is following him to his cottage.
You can't seem to tolerate a paper doing supposedly unethical acts and yet one has nothing to say about the chief magistrate of the city running a campaign and governing with these tactics and standards?
thank you. It always irritates me when people believe "freedom of speech" mean freedom from criticism and/or free access to the platform of their choice. Yes, they may speak freely, but no one is obligated to provide or sponsor a platform from which they may speak.
I didn't say that. I said the KFC video was TMZ-style tabloid-journalism, as is following him to his cottage.
They've published articles which mock him for his weight, TMZ-style videos of the Mayor in his personal life (like that KFC video) [...]
Read the title of this thread. "Mayor Rob Ford's Toronto". The ethics, behaviour and effectiveness of the Mayor of this city is what this thread is about. This is what should concern citizens. In attempting to make the debate about the credibility of a newspaper, as you do here, and as Mayor Ford and his brother and many of their supporters attempt to do, you are the one turning the focus. If a person doesn't like the reporting slant of a newspaper they can choose not to purchase or read it. The Star certainly isn't the least credible or laziest newspaper in the city, and beyond newspapers there are several television and radio stations which report news so poorly that they contribute to the dumbing of the culture that elected this boob.What about them?
Rather then actually address any of the issues I raised, you're trying to instead turn the focus onto Ford. Well, regardless of whether Ford has been ethical or not, the Star hasn't been ethical in their reporting.
Now, if you want to debate the separate issue of whether Ford is ethical, that's one thing. But right now, we're discussing whether the Star has lost credibility and has been unethical in their conduct. Changing the focus onto Ford doesn't address these issues.
the KFC video was TMZ-style tabloid-journalism
What about them?
Rather then actually address any of the issues I raised, you're trying to instead turn the focus onto Ford. Well, regardless of whether Ford has been ethical or not, the Star hasn't been ethical in their reporting.
Now, if you want to debate the separate issue of whether Ford is ethical, that's one thing. But right now, we're discussing whether the Star has lost credibility and has been unethical in their conduct. Changing the focus onto Ford doesn't address these issues.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi
CowboyLogic:
Actually I am debating whether you might be having a double standard on insistence of ethical behaviour - in other words, hypocrisy - as referenced:
Those who claims others are unethical (i.e. supposedly attempting to influence the outcome of election) and at the same time willingly support a chief magistrate who behaves unethically (manipulating slate of electon candidates and public opinion) should rightly be questioned as to whether they have any standing in discussing said topic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
Read the title of this thread. "Mayor Rob Ford's Toronto". The ethics, behaviour and effectiveness of the Mayor of this city is what this thread is about. This is what should concern citizens. In attempting to make the debate about the credibility of a newspaper, as you do here, and as Mayor Ford and his brother and many of their supporters attempt to do, you are the one turning the focus. If a person doesn't like the reporting slant of a newspaper they can choose not to purchase or read it. The Star certainly isn't the least credible or laziest newspaper in the city, and beyond newspapers there are several television and radio stations which report news so poorly that they contribute to the dumbing of the culture that elected this boob.
So, which one is it?
As was pointed out earlier, the KFC video was in the context of his very-well-publicized public campaign to lose weight, which was clearly a political event. In that light it was appropriate journalism, an indication that Ford was either being an intentional hypocrite, or incapable of taking the challenge seriously.
I see your point, but really...who cares whether the Star is ethical or not? The Star could be the left hand of Satan, and that still wouldn't make Ford a good mayor (which is the point of this thread).
I guess you would be technically correct to say that I didn't bring up any additional examples of a TMZ-style video, but trying to make it sound like I said there was a video of the Mayor's cottage is just disingenuous.
Actually to get all pissy about it, if that were the intent in starting the thread the title should have been "Toronto's Mayor, Rob Ford".Read the title of this thread. "Mayor Rob Ford's Toronto". The ethics, behaviour and effectiveness of the Mayor of this city is what this thread is about.