Expatriot
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^^ above comment relates to this picture:
http://i.bullfax.com/imgs/746486fe72523b9a2ab450ed99d1571e3dcac28f.jpg
He seems to do this a lot, though:
Ha, but now we know it's cuz he's a God-fearing man who constantly prays!
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Ha, but now we know it's cuz he's a God-fearing man who constantly prays!
basic
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I actually agree with Joe on this one....lots of questions about the Policing being done here. And it did seem like at least portions of it were PR leaks. It's kindof scary.
I am guessing the still redacted portions of the Lisi ITO reveal his discussions picked up in P.T. with Siad/15 Windsor to get the video. I wonder whether Lisi says anything in those recordings specifically about Ford sending him. I believe they are back in court tomorrow to discuss this?
I am guessing the still redacted portions of the Lisi ITO reveal his discussions picked up in P.T. with Siad/15 Windsor to get the video. I wonder whether Lisi says anything in those recordings specifically about Ford sending him. I believe they are back in court tomorrow to discuss this?
evvabeing
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i've also been wondering about the fords' rotary club connections. does anyone have any details on that? i've been doing a bit of my own research into this, but i don't have any info that's really worth sharing yet.
TJ O'Pootertoot
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Anyone who watches The Wire gets the answers to a lot of the "questions" raised above. The cops on The Wire always went to the judge they thought would give them the warrant, either because they knew he'd go for it or because they had something on him. Warrant requests are not the same as trials where you take whatever judge you get.
Peepers clearly isn't rowing with all his oars but whether he is erroneously suggesting they circumvented the system or merely thinks that they should have picked an antagonistic judge just to, I dunno, make sure they were on the right track, there is no surprise here whatsoever. Any judge can sign a warrant but they're obviously going to go with someone who understands the legal and political issues at stake.
(And if Lisi actually used burners, that's all the more proof that he's not quite the "straight arrow" his pal seems to think. Is there anyone who uses burners who isn't in the drug trade?)
Yeah, some of that article might be giving the police a way to quietly explain some of their actions but most of the stuff you're having a fit over is nothing.
(And guys - some of those paragraphs are longer than 1 sentence. No way it's Warmington.)
Peepers
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LOL! Thanks for pointing that out. I don't know why people think that I am Warmington. He only writes one sentence paragraphs.
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Johnny Au
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On the topic of Punch-Out a few pages back, who do you think Rob Ford actually is? King Hippo or Bear Hugger?
kbdid
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I'm guessing a burner phone is a prepaid thing? Hmmm, the things I'm learning, first Ratchet, now this....
evvabeing
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Dubster
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Blaming the cops for investigating Ford's criminal activity, equivocating Ford's behaviour while massively condemning others for isolated incidents, trying to play both sides at the same time. But yeah, you're more articulate than Warmo.
Peepers
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Just posted on the Toronto Star website..........
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Blair must explain why police didn't arrest Rob Ford
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/comm...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
It didn't take long for others to come forward with the same concerns that I expressed above.
This is a must! The time has come for Blair to explain the inaction's of his investigators. With such a cloud hanging over him the time has come to put Bill Blair on indefinite suspension until all of these questions are answered satisfactorily (if that's even possible!). Ultimately I believe that police act charges (if not criminal code charges) may be warranted against Blair.
COMMENTARY
Blair must explain why police didn't arrest Rob Ford
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/comm...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
It didn't take long for others to come forward with the same concerns that I expressed above.
This is a must! The time has come for Blair to explain the inaction's of his investigators. With such a cloud hanging over him the time has come to put Bill Blair on indefinite suspension until all of these questions are answered satisfactorily (if that's even possible!). Ultimately I believe that police act charges (if not criminal code charges) may be warranted against Blair.
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newearthling
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Have you heard anything else? Any thing about the extortion charge or possession?
TJ O'Pootertoot
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Again - if you watch The Wire, it makes total sense.
Yeah, it's true that if the police saw some random black kid do the things Ford was doing with Lisi, they would have jacked him up IF they wanted to nail him on possession charges. But if that black kid was believed to be involved with murder or if, say, they thought his big brother was running one of the city's biggest drug rings, they wouldn't arrest him because they saw a weird transaction with an envelope and thus blow the larger case. They would only do it if their entire interest was to pull in someone on a nothing, standard drug charge.
The entire premise of that article is that they should have arrested Ford on possession but to what end? When they already knew about the video and how it relates to Anthony Smith and that Lisi was dealing and extorting people to get the tape? With all that going on they're going to pull over Ford to see if he's holding a few ounces? (To say nothing of the possibility all he's got is vodka or, per some of the conspiracy-minded here, shady documents).
How anyone can look at the Brazen 2 documents - the techniques used, the manpower, the plane etc. - and then think that a possession arrest would have been a fitting end is beyond me. It's a bizarre stance for Ruby to take.
Personally, I think the DUI's are harder to excuse since they actually involve the possibility of other people getting hurt, but you can still see why they wanted to keep giving Ford line so they could reel in the big fish. And, that's just Brazen - we still don't know how it all ties into Traveler which was ongoing for a couple of months during Brazen 2. So now Ruby wants them to pull over Ford when they have a massive, previously-unrelated gangs investigation going on? Gimme a break.
Finally, this all assumes Ford won't get charged. the only point I agree with/understand is that maybe a possession charge would seem satisfactory when stacked up against the fact he is not now facing ANY charges. I still think that's going to happen. Probably they hoped Lisi would give up his boss but even if that's not the case, we know it's ongoing and we know there are several huge unanswered questions. With all that up in the air, I don't know how any outside party can say what the police SHOULD have done is tried to take Ford down on relatively superficial and minor charges.
Blair does have to explain it all, but not yet.
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mrtinfoilsocket
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Agreed. People are directing their outrage against Blair under the assumption that he alone was running this operation against Ford and making these decisions. But I've seen multiple articles acknowledge that he was working closely with the Attorney General's office. So it seems to me that there's a bigger plan at work here and surely these decisions were not his alone.
requiem
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I have all these questions myself but I think we'll get answers in time. I'd rather the police complete their investigation, and get Ford on a whopper than on some piddly possession charge. I wonder though if Ford's paying for Lisi's two lawyers and if that'll keep him from throwing Ford under the bus, even if it means less jail time.
salsa
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And you thought the Toronto Star was undeniably pro Bill Blair.
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