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thedeepend said:
oh man you are just so text-book it's hilarious. in every way, you are, in every imaginable way, THE EXACT definition of:


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Made me laugh. Everything in here is true :rolleyes:
 
dt_toronto_geek said:
What we need is a more centrist Mayor next election who can bring people together, has a true transit vision and who represents all Torontonians - or at least who is seen to represent all Torontonians.

Otherwise, Toronto in ten years
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I would definitely like a centrist, but we need that true conservative in the next election to show people that Rob isn't the only (or even the best) choice. Otherwise we end up with the fact that everyone who's not Ford is automatically labelled a leftist by his divisive techniques.
 
Peepers said:
This is about Ford. It is about the double-standard the media uses. They criticize Ford for not attending pride parade but not McGuinty who has never attended either.
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there should be a double standard. because Ford is an insecure bigot and a bully, and has demonstrated it over and over again. whereas McGuinty is not a bully, and is not a bigot.

so his non-appearance at Pride Toronto doesn't say anything about the larger truth of his character and beliefs.

everyone knows why Ford stays away, and it has to do with homophobia. you know, his "Justin Trudeau is a f-g" type of homophobia.
 
The Pride parade is a city event. I would no more expect the premier of Ontario to show up than I would expect the governor of California to attend San Francisco's parade. (I also don't recall anyone making an issue of whether Mike Harris or Ernie Eves attended either.)
 
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jje1000 said:
I would definitely like a centrist, but we need that true conservative in the next election to show people that Rob isn't the only (or even the best) choice. Otherwise we end up with the fact that everyone who's not Ford is automatically labelled a leftist by his divisive techniques.
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We've had a bad streak of conservatives in Toronto. First Lastman and then Ford. Are there any conservatives other than Stintz who are likely to run?
 
junctionist said:
It's one of the biggest parades of its kind in the world. Its significance is national at least, if not international. That's why the prime minister, Stephen Harper, should attend.
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But what about Ottawa's Pride Parade? Should the premier attend that one, as well as the Prime Minister? How about Vancouver's, or Montreal's -- should Harper go to those as well?

Toronto's parade is one of the largest in the world, but in all cases the parades are city events, and not national or state -- they are put on by local groups. It would be great if the premier and or PM attended, but I don't think it's a duty like it is for a mayor.
 
tiffer24 said:
The difference for McGuinty is that there are at least a dozen pride festivals across Ontario over the summer. Toronto has one.
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Actually I'd guess that it's a lot more than a dozen. Lots of small towns and cities have pride festivals now.
 
thedeepend said:
there should be a double standard. because Ford is an insecure bigot and a bully, and has demonstrated it over and over again. whereas McGuinty is not a bully, and is not a bigot.

so his non-appearance at Pride Toronto doesn't say anything about the larger truth of his character and beliefs.

everyone knows why Ford stays away, and it has to do with homophobia. you know, his "Justin Trudeau is a f-g" type of homophobia.
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I'm sick of hearing this nonsense about Ford being homophobic.

Name one thing he has ever said that is homophobic.

He made one comment that is statistically true (in regards to AIDS) and that seems to be the entire basis for calling him homophobic.

There was a huge discrepancy in the initial allegations of the crack video, as John Cook said the speaker off camera said the "Justin Trudeau is a fag" line. Right now, this is an unproven and highly suspect allegation (the Trudeau line, not the video).
 
http://www.nowtoronto.com/news/story.cfm?content=186617
http://www.cartt.ca/news/14891/Radi...oadcast-on-CFRB-ruled-homophobic-by-CBSC.html

One isnt only judged by their words - but also by their actions. Anyone who is remotely aware of the issue would have cut that comment short - and he isn't one to hesitate to do that on his show. Besides, he himself has taken heat on a comment of a similar nature - which he had to apologize for - what does it tell us about his capacity for learning and the apology for his original comment? And yes, please also remind me the use of the code word "homosexual" per Fox News. Oh and do remember the variants of "I know lots of gay people" defense as well. It's almost stereotypical .

AoD
 
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