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Rob Ford - Why the Supervillian?

The Waffler is absolutely correct that much higher taxes are coming to Toronto.
Only if the truth is being pulled out of the same orifice.

As long as we don't elect one of the Conservative-type spendaholics (you know, the Harpers and Bushes of the world), I don't see any reason that we wouldn't see the same kind of increases that we've seen for the last few years ... generally similar or lower than the surrounding suburbs.
 
Only if the truth is being pulled out of the same orifice.

As long as we don't elect one of the Conservative-type spendaholics (you know, the Harpers and Bushes of the world), I don't see any reason that we wouldn't see the same kind of increases that we've seen for the last few years ... generally similar or lower than the surrounding suburbs.

You will see taxes rising faster than the rate of inflation/spending increases because the means in which they were held below are exhausted. For example......

"Since Mayor [David] Miller took office, he's has taken over $650-million out of reserves, the
savings of the citizens of Toronto that were put aside for rainy days and other important
initiatives," Councillor David Shiner, who ran the city's budget committee under previous mayor Mel
Lastman, told the Post's Allison Hanes.


"My stomach turns over when I look at what's been presented [in the 2009 operating budget], what
we're
facing."


It's an appalling picture. Money set aside for emergencies has instead been used to avoid budget
shortfalls. About $300-million was taken from various stabilization funds to plug a $697-million
hole in this year's operating budget. Included in that is the last $8-million in a reserve fund
intended for welfare spending, which will be put toward an expected surge in cases now that the
economy has gone belly-up. The whole point of the reserves was to ensure the city would be covered
in a situation like this, but Mayor Miller's NDP troopers blew it all instead. They could have
addressed the issue by practising some restraint, or by assessing city finances and reforming areas
that needed it, but it was easier to just spend the cash.


"There is literally nothing left in that reserve for the Ontario Works welfare program," city
manager Joe Pennachetti said Tuesday. "There is no longer any more reserve."

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/...toronto-s-latest-lesson-in-ndp-economics.aspx
 
I don't really understand your point here unless you are making knee-jerk criticisms. So, you think that useless rhetoric should be used and encouraged?.
I'm saying campaign rhetoric can't be avoided. It's up to you to determine what's useless and what isn't.
 
The whole point of the reserves was to ensure the city would be covered
in a situation like this, but Mayor Miller's NDP troopers blew it all instead. They could have
addressed the issue by practising some restraint, or by assessing city finances and reforming areas
that needed it, but it was easier to just spend the cash.

That is nonsense, and you are misrepresenting the situation with the reserves. They are hardly exhausted, or even going down. Yes, getting annual financing from the emergency reserves is a problem, but it's not veering the city towards bankruptcy. Under Miller the reserves have steadily been growing. When Miller took office they were $933 billion. The most recent financial report has the reserves at $1.4 billion.

While council takes a helping of the reserves each budget, the reserves also grow through investment and because each year not all of the money allocated in the budget actually ends up getting spent.

If we want to look at a time when the reserves were jeopardized, we again have to look back to the Lastman era when the right was in control. When Mel took over the city in 1998 reserves were 1.1 billion. After his disastrous tax freeze policy reserves had fallen to $681 million by 2000. It was only under Miller that reserves climbed back to what they were before Lastman.
 
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Toronto in of itself may not be bankrupt (debatable), but many of its residents certainly are or will soon be if something doesn’t give.

What is it about elections that bring all the nutters out of the woodwork?

Why “nutters”? Why not conscientious citizens who’ve felt powerless for years but only now with the opportunity to elect in a regime change can air out grievances and expect political response after a drought of inaction?

Good riddance I say. Hope you enjoy the higher property taxes ... and the improved quality of life ... not to mention having to shovel off the car to go get milk!

There highlighted that for you. Unless you’re high statused, chances are you’re not fully benefiting from Toronto’s rich cultural experiences. Subtract that factor and you’re living in a northern industrial city just like any other. I don’t get the “shovel off the car” retort either as many people are forced to head into the suburbs now anyway to do their weekly shopping due to the lack of value-basic stores in the downtown core. Transit isn’t an option when you’re lugging 6-8 bags full of purchases onto a crowded TTC vehicle and it takes 90 minutes to get home from all the transferring.

And why are you trying to deceive us? It does cost more to live in Toronto: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/407339. Punch in the average cost a house in the GTA ($300,000), then punch in the average for Toronto (which the City puts at $407,000). One’s home in the GTA costing over $100k less than one bought within the 416’s borders will fetch around the same property tax bill annually:

Mississauga
Enter assessment (what your home is worth):
$ 300,000 × City tax rate =
(no comma)
2007 taxes: $2215.56
2008 taxes: $2307.52
This is an increase of $91.95, or %4.15

Brampton
Enter assessment (what your home is worth):
$ 300,000 × City tax rate =
(no comma)
2007 taxes: $2794.26
2008 taxes: $2943.80
This is an increase of $149.54, or %5.35

Oakville
Enter assessment (what your home is worth):
$ 300,000 × City tax rate =
(no comma)
2007 taxes: $2230.01
2008 taxes: $2318.01
This is an increase of $88.00, or %3.95

Toronto
Enter assessment (what your home is worth):
$ 400,000 × City tax rate =
(no comma)
2007 taxes: $2355.37
2008 taxes: $2443.70
This is an increase of $88.33, or %3.75

And before you discredit my source as dated, remember that PT rates have increased right across the board for all the municipalities listed. The only people coming out on top now are those whom bought their homes from the '70s and '80s and never moved. All recent newcomers and youths considering buying a home now are screwed.

If you live in Toronto, and your car isn't a business car, and you register it to an address that isn't a your residence, that you are a liar, and a cheat. If one was to do that they would be a worthless piece of humanity, no better than a common criminal. Wow ... to have the gall to defend such despicable behaviour! Shocking ... to save $5 a month - laughable.

I’m beginning to suspect that you are a plutocrat and therefore you’re out of touch with the routine struggles that Average Joe blue-collar Torontonians have to face day in and day out. $5 here and there adds up. If he wants to cheat the system, so what, let him. I’m glad he’s let me in on this secret. Why are you holding the commoner class to a higher ethical standard than the grubby politicians who rob us blind but remain untouchable because they are protected by a culture of impunity?
 
I’m beginning to suspect that you are a plutocrat and therefore you’re out of touch with the routine struggles that Average Joe blue-collar Torontonians have to face day in and day out. $5 here and there adds up. If he wants to cheat the system, so what, let him. I’m glad he’s let me in on this secret. Why are you holding the commoner class to a higher ethical standard than the grubby politicians who rob us blind but remain untouchable because they are protected by a culture of impunity?

You know what makes your positions particularly enlightening? Your rhetoric is so bloated it puts stretch marks on the truth. I am glad you provided a link to that article from more than a year ago about nine city employees getting caught and fired for submitting fraudulent benefits claims. They should have rewrote the headline though to say 'City continues to spit in the face of the average joe taxpayer by taking appropriate actions' - otherwise it's hard to get the whole culture of impunity thing.

All sarcasm aside, here's a thought for you. Perhaps the city employees mentioned in the article were at the lower end of the payscale, maybe unskilled labourers. All arguments aside about greater compensation in the public sector, it is not implausible that these workers could be cosidered average-joe blue collar workers. Therefore: If they want to cheat the system, so what let them.
 
Tell me that you guys have heard of the Socratic method before?

This is just how I articulate myself. Sorry if at times it comes across the wrong way to some.
 
Toronto in of itself may not be bankrupt (debatable), but many of its residents certainly are or will soon be if something doesn’t give.

And why are you trying to deceive us? It does cost more to live in Toronto: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/407339. Punch in the average cost a house in the GTA ($300,000), then punch in the average for Toronto (which the City puts at $407,000). One’s home in the GTA costing over $100k less than one bought within the 416’s borders will fetch around the same property tax bill annually:

Where do you get that the average price to live in the cities you list is $300,000? That is very far from reality, and having that number be so wrong undermines your calculations. The average cost for a home in the GTA is $446,593, which is slightly higher than the average price of a home in Toronto. This means that GTA homes in addition to paying a higher property tax rate are also appraised higher.
 
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Here are correct figures based on average home values from TREB and using the same Star tax calculator:

Toronto
Avg Price: $407,000
Avg Tax: $2486.46

Mississauga
Avg Price: $367,000
Avg Tax: $2822.86

Brampton
Avg Price: $338,000
Avg Tax: $3316.68

Oakville
Avg Price: $551,000
Avg Tax: $4257.41
 
I think residential tax should be geared to income, not property. Say you live in a Junction semi like a real estate broker I know does, that's worth maybe $650k, yet pay only $3000 in taxes even though your income is five times greater than some retired couple living in a Forest Hill "$1.5 million dollar home"?
 
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Here are correct figures based on average home values from TREB and using the same Star tax calculator:

Toronto
Avg Price: $407,000
Avg Tax: $2486.46

Mississauga
Avg Price: $367,000
Avg Tax: $2822.86

Brampton
Avg Price: $338,000
Avg Tax: $3316.68

Oakville
Avg Price: $551,000
Avg Tax: $4257.41

Freshy: right now would be a great time for you to abandon this account, and come back with a different name and disavow any relation to Fresh Start. May I suggest "Fresher Start" or perhaps "New Beginning"?
 
Strange, I'd characterize myself as being the Howard Stern of Toronto urban issues.

Simon, perhaps citing affluent Oakville (and for that matter Vaughan) was a bad example, but go check out REALTOR.ca and cross-referrence the GTA in general to Toronto. These are house listings up on their site as of this posting:

Markham - $289,000: http://images.realtor.ca/listing/reb82/highres/4/n18668041.jpg?PhotoId=634093046770000000
Mississauga - $269,900: http://images.realtor.ca/listing/reb85/highres/8/w18724381.jpg?PhotoId=634098240810000000
Brampton - $215,900: http://images.realtor.ca/listing/reb82/highres/5/w18837751.jpg?PhotoId=634109432090000000; $274,900: http://images.realtor.ca/listing/reb82/highres/8/w18590381.jpg?PhotoId=634086116790000000
Richmond Hill - $259,900: http://images.realtor.ca/listing/reb82/highres/4/n18141041.jpg?PhotoId=634045494870000000
Burlington - $299,900: http://images.realtor.ca/listing/reb14/highres/5/h3040455_1.jpg?PhotoId=634119803028170000

And for real bargains, head east.
Pickering - $269,000: http://images.realtor.ca/listing/reb82/highres/3/e18835031.jpg?PhotoId=634109431630000000; $259,000: http://images.realtor.ca/listing/reb82/highres/3/e18750431.jpg?PhotoId=634099942770000000
Ajax - $230,000: http://images.realtor.ca/listing/reb82/highres/6/e18831661.jpg?PhotoId=634109431610000000

Toronto has a couple low-end prices too, but obviously you get far more house and yard buying into the 905 area. I mean just look at the contrast here, these houses in the $200k range are the same property size as these fetching $400k:
$210,000: http://images.realtor.ca/listing/reb82/highres/2/e18941021.jpg?PhotoId=634118991180000000
$239,900: http://images.realtor.ca/listing/reb82/highres/2/w18350321.jpg?PhotoId=634064562840000000
$399,999: http://images.realtor.ca/listing/reb82/highres/2/w18881521.jpg?PhotoId=634112902840000000
$400,000: http://images.realtor.ca/listing/reb82/highres/8/w18807181.jpg?PhotoId=634107784740000000
 
Freshy: right now would be a great time for you to abandon this account, and come back with a different name and disavow any relation to Fresh Start. May I suggest "Fresher Start" or perhaps "New Beginning"?

Nah, I think I'll stick with just being myself thank you. My handle's Fresh Start because I actively encourage people to see things from a fresh, new perspective and to reevaluable how the system's being run, whether it's working for them and how to correct it. There will always be those who'll try to silence the truth-seekers in the society because they don't want to be awoken from their false consciousnesses. I don't mean to offend but rather to encourage healthy topical debate. At times I purposefully post errors but that's just to gauge how attentive my audience is.
 

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