W. K. Lis
Superstar
The New and Improved Gardiner Expressway, now with the Hybrid option. For a limited time only.
Offer expires after 50 years.
Offer expires after 50 years.
I also have an issue with the incredible 99 year time horizon. Imagine if you had to justify LRT projects based on the same costing. Eglington LRT will cost $20 billion (over 99 years). Who would say yes to that? (I'm just pulling a number out of the hat)
When is the council vote?
The 99-year lifecycle cost is necessary because of the history of the Gardiner itself. People are well aware of how much we've been spending over the years to maintain it, and it seems like this wasn't well thought out in the past (when it was constructed). The city spent millions last decade (approx $75m) in minor maintenance. If you look here, the maintenance program for the Gardiner that city council approved in January 2013 estimated that they would spend $662m to rehabilitate the section of the Gardiner from Strachan to the DVP. That's only over a 13 year period.
So yeah, the 99-year cost estimate is important. People need to realize how expensive it is to maintain an elevated expressway.
Obviously not every thirteen years. But certainly more often than once every 99 years.Maybe I am not understanding your post but it seems you are picking and choosing when to apply the 99 year calc......perhaps they have spent $662 million over 13 years....but surely they will not spend that every 13 years?
Obviously not every thirteen years. But certainly more often than once every 99 years.
Got a link? I'd be interested in reading that.sure...and there will be years that they spend very little....likely why one of the reports looked at the various options on a NPV basis...bringing/discounting all of the options down to a total cost in today's dollars.
Got a link? I'd be interested in reading that.
Here's the project website - http://gardinereast.ca/ As you can see, there have been *four* rounds of public consultations already.
How much additional info do you think people need on this and how would you suggest it be delivered/pressed on them?
The recommended Remove preferred alternative solution in the Gardiner Expressway East EA, which is based on preliminary estimates, requires capital funding of $417 million from 2020 to 2026. This will result in an increase in required funding of $23 million as compared to the Maintain option. However, it does represent the lowest cost alternative by an estimated $51 million on an NPV basis over a 100-year timeframe.
While the recommended Remove option will require an additional upfront capital investment beyond the Maintain option, the net impact on the City will be substantially less than $23 million, as this initial investment will yield a combination of long term savings from the avoidance of future life-cycle capital replacement costs as well as generate additional revenue from the sale of excess public land made available from freed up area along the current East Deck of the Gardiner Expressway.
Picture I just posted on Twitter showing where Google thinks traffic issues are right now:
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Note the green at Gardiner East, the red northbound from Gerrard. But midtowners like Carmichael Greb and Burnside (both new councillors who received Tory endorsements) are making statements favouring maintain-tweak rather than worrying about how the hell the DVP from the ramps their constituents use is gonna get moving.