PM Justin Trudeau's Canada

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Seems like a miscalculation to me. Even if he succeeds in pushing Trudeau out, the Liberals are cooked in the next election. I don't see why he would want to become leader just to go down with the ship, unless he wants to be in the books as a PM for a few months along with the likes of Campbell.

Never mind someone from a different party - is he unfamiliar with Paul Martin's rise and fall? It wasn't that long ago. What he need to do is stay back and lack the current architects fall on their own swords in the form of a electoral defeat.

AoD

 

[jje1000]

Think deeper. What are their reasons for hating Justin Trudeau?

EZ- at the top of the list, our institutions (listless, decaying), national unity (adrift, smeared by blood libel), and quality-of-life (housing) have gotten worse, and more importantly, instead of keeping our celebrated immigration policy intact, Trudeau has instead delivered infinity immigration.

Same reason why the neoliberal order is breaking down across the world.

 

[Brands]

I disagree. If Mark Carney comes in with new policies, he could do well in the next election, or at least hold the Conservatives to a minority government.

If Justin Trudeau's polls numbers don't improve other the next few months, I wonder if the calls to replace him with get louder. Right now he is a dead man walking.

EZ- at the top of the list, our institutions (listless, decaying), national unity (adrift, smeared by blood libel), and quality-of-life (housing) have gotten worse, and more importantly, instead of keeping our celebrated immigration policy intact, Trudeau has instead delivered infinity immigration.

Same reason why the neoliberal order is breaking down across the world.

Sticking to unpopular policies like the carbon tax and shoving it down peoples' throats, without looking for an alternative.

 

[kEiThZ]

Sticking to unpopular policies like the carbon tax and shoving it down peoples' throats, without looking for an alternative.

The carbon tax is but one issue.

Read this blog post (with data) about surging student immigration to the UK and consider how it's impacting the Conservative Party over there in today's election:

The Deliveroo Visa scandal

The growth of policies that deliberately encourage low wage immigration

www.neilobrien.co.uk

This graph should look familiar to Canadians:

Different political stripe. Different countries. Similar policies. Going to have similar results.

 

[jje1000]

The carbon tax is but one issue.

Read this blog post (with data) about surging student immigration to the UK and consider how it's impacting the Conservative Party over there in today's election:

The Deliveroo Visa scandal

The growth of policies that deliberately encourage low wage immigration

www.neilobrien.co.uk

This graph should look familiar to Canadians:

Different political stripe. Different countries. Similar policies. Going to have similar results.

A fundamental question- why was there a similar massive spike in illegal and low-wage immigration simultaneously across different governments all across the West in the last few years?

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

A fundamental question- why was there a similar massive spike in illegal and low-wage immigration simultaneously across different governments all across the West in the last few years?

People seem to have forgotten the discussion during and immediately after the pandemic of the "Great Resignation", the structural labour shortage issues, competition for talent, etc. That was a major driver for the policies that ended up having serious unintended consequences.

AoD

 

[Northern Light]

People seem to have forgotten the discussion during and immediately after the pandemic of the "Great Resignation", the structural labour shortage issues, competition for talent, etc. That was a major driver for the policies that ended up having serious unintended consequences.

AoD

I think its important to say that the evidence of this being real in Canada as opposed to hypothesis/talk is a bit weak.

The U.S. did see an inordinate spike in wages (inordinate simply meaning out of the ordinary, not that it was a bad thing); but a lot of that was not driven by 'the great resignation'.

The biggest single area of U.S. wage spikes was seen in retail with Walmart and Target racing each other to up their 'minimum wage' to far too little instead of absurd, offensive joke.

They saw spikes of $11-$15USD per hour in low-wage states and to upwards of $20 USD in more expensive markets.

That was indeed driven by a labour shortage, but not one of Walmart employees mass resigning.........

Rather, it was the impact of the brief period of Trump curtailing foreign students, refugees and the like; followed in succession by the pandemic which saw Biden honouring many of those same restrictions for an additional 18 months plus.

So you can see an over 3 year period of cheap labour being choked back.




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[kEiThZ]

People seem to have forgotten the discussion during and immediately after the pandemic of the "Great Resignation", the structural labour shortage issues, competition for talent, etc. That was a major driver for the policies that ended up having serious unintended consequences.

AoD

This is part of it. But more broadly I think countries like Canada and the UK saw opportunity in the US becoming more restrictive on immigration. Also, India is going through a massive demographic bulge right now with basically a surplus of young people. Just the like the boom from China during the 2000s, it's now India and countries like Canada and the UK want to cash in, on everything from demand for education to cheap Indian labour.

 

[jje1000]

People seem to have forgotten the discussion during and immediately after the pandemic of the "Great Resignation", the structural labour shortage issues, competition for talent, etc. That was a major driver for the policies that ended up having serious unintended consequences.

AoD

I also see it as 30-40 years of corporations being stingy about training their own employees and not investing in wages & productivity improvements having bitten them in the rear as boomers retire, followed by these corporations turning around and running a massive 'skilled worker shortages' gaslighting campaign as a pretext to instead convince the government to import hundreds of thousands of low-wage workers and destroy the value of labour (and demolish our immigration system in the process) - still without addressing the skilled worker shortage in the end (because Canadian corporations are still too stingy to pay proper wages compared to what skilled workers can pull in the US).

 

[Admiral Beez]

My unemployed, summer-longing university student kid who generates near zero carbon got $360 from Trudeau. I got $210. Doesn't seem fair.

 

[kEiThZ]

My unemployed, summer-longing university student kid who generates near zero carbon got $360 from Trudeau. I got $210. Doesn't seem fair.

That is absolutely not possible unless there's an error. The rebates are fixed per person in the household.

How much you can get - Canada Carbon Rebate (CCR) for individuals - Canada.ca

www.canada.ca

So either they got a rebate for something else and think it's the CCR. Or CRA has screwed up and they'll eventually be coming for that money.

Also, weird to characterize a rebate from Trudeau. But in case you don't know how it works, the feds run the program on behalf of the province. This is why the rebate amount is different in each province. They collect the tax and rebate 90% of it. The remaining 10% of it is paid out in grants to community organizations in the province. Say your library wants to put PV panels on the roof. Etc. None of the revenue goes into federal coffers.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Also, weird to characterize a rebate from Trudeau..

While admittedly inaccurate, it's just a bit of family humour. Every time one of us receives these cheques from Ottawa we call them Trudeau Bucks.

 

[tiffer24]

EZ- at the top of the list, our institutions (listless, decaying), national unity (adrift, smeared by blood libel), and quality-of-life (housing) have gotten worse, and more importantly, instead of keeping our celebrated immigration policy intact, Trudeau has instead delivered infinity immigration.

Same reason why the neoliberal order is breaking down across the world.

I didn't realize this site normalized and accepted anti-semitic tropes like "blood libel"? So disgusting.

 

[Admiral Beez]

I didn't realize this site normalized and accepted anti-semitic tropes like "blood libel"? So disgusting.

I'm a history buff, and I had to look that one up. Not good to have this on UT.

Blood Libel

Blood libels were false allegations that Jews used the blood of non-Jewish children in rituals. Nazi propagandists used this false charge in their antisemitic propaganda.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

 

[afransen]

Did I miss it? I didn't notice it, other than it being mentioned as an analogy.

I would think describing it as blood libel also suggests the person doesn't endorse the idea. So, I'm not seeing the antisemitism.