PM Justin Trudeau's Canada

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It has deferred spending though. We’ve put off our Christmas shopping for a fortnight until the GST break.

I thought your usual gifts were a bit late this year!

 

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PP has now demanded action on the border: "The Conservative leader told a news conference that Canada should also cap the number of asylum seekers as it faces a significant influx in refugee claims." SEE: https://www.thestar.com/politics/fe...cle_090cd426-7f21-52ce-ac7d-b7c89b285837.html

Not quite sure how that would work as international law states that a country must offer asylum to those with well-founded fear of persecution. One could not simply say "Oh, sorry, our asylum quota is full for 2025, come back next year". It would be possible to process claims faster and, maybe, deport those who fail but limiting claims is, I suggest, impossible. I fear that he will be our next PM and that will NOT be fun!

 

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Not quite sure how that would work as international law states that a country must offer asylum to those with well-founded fear of persecution. One could not simply say "Oh, sorry, our asylum quota is full for 2025, come back next year". It would be possible to process claims faster and, maybe, deport those who fail but limiting claims is, I suggest, impossible. I fear that he will be our next PM and that will NOT be fun!

There is precedent across Europe of caps being placed upon migrants, refugees and asylum seekers.

Look at what happened with the migrant crisis..

Having said that, there does need to be a discussion on resettlement of refugees and asylum seekers. I get it, people want to flee persecution but it cannot be a ticket to enter a country at will.

At some point, nations need to simply say no. There are far too many people who look back at examples from WW2 where Jews were turned away as justification for accepting anyone and everyone fleeing persecution.

Quite simply, countries should have a right to turn away asylum seekers and refugees if deemed necessary. It is not Canada's concern if something happens 4000 KM away in the middle east.

We, nor other nations should be responsible for cleaning up other countries messes.

 

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PP has now demanded action on the border: "The Conservative leader told a news conference that Canada should also cap the number of asylum seekers as it faces a significant influx in refugee claims." SEE: https://www.thestar.com/politics/fe...cle_090cd426-7f21-52ce-ac7d-b7c89b285837.html

Not quite sure how that would work as international law states that a country must offer asylum to those with well-founded fear of persecution. One could not simply say "Oh, sorry, our asylum quota is full for 2025, come back next year". It would be possible to process claims faster and, maybe, deport those who fail but limiting claims is, I suggest, impossible. I fear that he will be our next PM and that will NOT be fun!

While a cap as such is an odd duck way to address the issue............ there is a legitimate concern......... which is that the majority of U.S. asylum seekers in recent years have actually been economic migrants and to a lesser degree fleeing high rates of violent crime.

Both of the above are entirely understandable reasons why someone would wish to relocate, but they don't typically fall within the traditional view of asylum which is based on group identity persecution (religion/ethnicity etc.), or individual persecution by a state actor against an individual or family.

If you look at the Canadian numbers from 2022, the leading number of asylum claimants came from Mexico. Mexico is a nominal democracy, its not in a state of war, while I'm sure there is racism and such, the state itself does not promote active discrimination so far as I'm aware.

What people flee from Mexico is the violence of the cartels; corruption, rural poverty etc. and also domestic violence.

I can't blame anyone for wanting to escape those things........but the asylum system isn't really meant for that, by and large.

Canada also has finite capacity to absorb and assist said claimants. At one point during the height of Roxham Road in Quebec ..... the latter was using Olympic Stadium to process and even shelter applicants as they'd run out of all other available space.

That's certainly not fair to any legitimate applicant and not ideal for improper ones either.

I'm not going to defend Polievre's proposed solution........but he is right to suggest some action is required on the file.

 

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While a cap as such is an odd duck way to address the issue............ there is a legitimate concern......... which is that the majority of U.S. asylum seekers in recent years have actually been economic migrants and to a lesser degree fleeing high rates of violent crime.

Both of the above and entirely understandable reasons why someone would wish to relocate, but they don't typically fall within the traditional view of asylum which based on group identity persecution (religion/ethnicity etc.), or individual persecution by a state actor against an individual or family.

If you look at the Canadian numbers from 2022, the leading number of asylum claimants came from Mexico. Mexico is a nominal democracy, its not in a state of war, while I'm sure there is racism and such, the state itself does not promote active discrimination so far as I'm aware.

What people flee from Mexico is the violence of the cartels; corruption, rural poverty etc. and also domestic violence.

I can't blame anyone for wanting to escape those things........but the asylum system isn't really meant for that, by and large.

Canada also has finite capacity to absorb and assist said claimants. At one point during the height of Roxham Road in Quebec ..... the latter was using Olympic Stadium to process and even shelter applicants as they'd run out of all other available space.

That's certainly not fair to any legitimate applicant and not ideal for improper ones either.

I'm not going to defend Polievre's proposed solution........but he is right to suggest some action is required on the file.

I certainly agree that asylum claims must be 'managed' efficiently (and fairly) but a cap on applicants (or successful applicants) really cannot be imposed. Asylum is not meant for economic migrants, however sorry one may feel for those who try to come here on that basis.