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Move Ontario - 1.2 Billion for Transit

Miss. would probably much prefer an Eglinton line as it would serve the big Airport Corporate Centre office concentration, as well as the airport itself.
I'm sure they do. I also have no doubt that it is the better decision.

But if construction was full tilt from Eglinton West to the Toronto border, you're talking about $4B and about 12 years to get to the border. If you build it in phases it will be closer to 20 years provided multiple governments are willing to fund the thing.

Longer if they build an LRT on Eglinton since it would be 30 years before it was due for replacement.
 
"Why isn't any transit improvments being done in the east end (ie Markham, Scarborough)? "

The Sheppard subway was supposed to (and might, someday) reach SCC. The Danforth line will likely be extended there, too. Markham will eventually get an upgraded Viva system. Markham and Scarborough aren't exactly the most central parts of the GTA; we shouldn't put all our transit eggs into one outer suburban basket.
 
I would hope that the province would force Vaughn to adopt some smart planning principals. A subway will be good regardless, but a huge waste if it's surrounded by a sprawling mess.
 
A Bloor subway extension to the west, into Mississauga, would run mainly through an older industrial neighbourhood in south Etobicoke, then through low-density, long-established neighbourhoods in the southeastern portion of Mississauga, which would probably be resistant to densification. It wouldn't reach high-density areas until Hurontario Street, many many miles from Kipling.

Fair enough, but it depends on the exact route. Dundas most of the way until MCC could be developed at much higher densities I would think since right now it's basically all strip malls, restaurants and furniture stores set far back from the street with loads of parking.

The Milton GO line, which runs across central Mississauga, is an underutilized resource in my opinion. It has rush hour service in one direction only. However, if all-day service were introduced, it would get people from Miss. into most parts of Toronto much faster than a subway, even if it was necessary to ride the GO train and then transfer to a subway at Union Station to complete the trip.

I agree with it being an underutilized resource (they are CN tracks though), but this is the option I take every day and it's very expensive (Cooksville to Union and then subway up Yonge line--I'm looking into taking MT/Islington soon instead even if it takes longer at night). Also Cooksville is still quite far from most of the city centre unfortunately--I guess that's more of a local transit issue.

As much as I'd like a subway line extension west, perhaps fare integration is the bigger problem at the moment :)
 
Why isn't any transit improvments being done in the east end (ie Markham, Scarborough)?
 
"The problem with extending the Bloor subway into Mississauga is that many kilometres of expensive line would be built to serve relatively low-density areas."

Not really...the subway will be completely full right from the first stop in MCC - who cares who gets on along the way because there'll be huge crowds like Finch station. A bigger issue is the time it'll take to get downtown from there compared to a GO train.
 
scarberiankhatru:
A bigger issue is the time it'll take to get downtown from there compared to a GO train.

Actually, it's not that different if you don't work right downtown near Union.

I live in MCC and work at roughly Yonge & Davisville--taking the GO from Cooksville to Union and then to Davisville is about the same as taking MT to Islington and then transferring at Yonge. I've even tried Cooksville to Kipling and the result is almost exactly the same :)

Though I guess the current Milton GO schedule has something to do with that as well.
 
York U seems all giddy today. I hardly ever receive e-mail from my alma mater, but here's what appeared in my in-box today...

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Dear Alumna/Alumnus,

My name is James Allan and I'm writing as the Director, Alumni at York University to pass on an important announcement about the Ontario government's commitment to the Spadina subway extension.

York University applauds the plan to invest in public transit, and the support that it provides both for higher education and the surrounding community. The University's full information release is included for you, below.

Sincerely,

James Allan
Director, Alumni


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Provincial budget delivers long-awaited transit extension to York
Sustains higher education support

Toronto, March 23, 2006 -- York University applauds the Ontario government’s investments into public transit, post-secondary education and research and innovation, announced today in the provincial budget.

The Ontario government’s $670-million commitment to public transit through its Move Ontario initiative will enhance accessibility for York’s 65,000 students, faculty and staff, via extension to the Spadina subway to Highway 7 in Vaughan.

"The subway extension will be a tremendous boost to York University students and our community -- it will ease gridlock both on and off campus, reduce pollution, and preserve the academic core by providing a much-needed public transit alternative for the tens of thousands of people who travel here every day," says President and Vice Chancellor Dr. Lorna R. Marsden. "Today’s announcement is recognition of York’s position at the heart of the GTA, and that public transit should not end at artificial barriers, but must be built to serve the realities of where people live, work and study."

The subway extension will offer significant community-building benefits. The Black Creek area has been identified in Toronto’s Strong Neighbourhoods Report as one of the most underserved areas for social services, and transit is essential to improving that access. Traffic congestion on area roads impairs not only the timely movement of people to the university, but throughout the area as well.

The creation of the Greater Toronto Transit Authority (GTTA) is another important step towards ensuring the integration of the public transit system across the GTA. "We also welcome the announcement of further transit investments in York region VIVA and in the GO bus network. More than 85 per cent of our students have home addresses in the GTA and many of our students live in the 905 area. These investments will have a very positive impact on their commutes and their well-being," Dr. Marsden says.

The extension of the Spadina subway line is not the only positive news in today’s provincial budget. The Ontario government is holding firm to its commitment to inject $6.2 million into the higher education sector over five years.

The government’s plan, Reaching Higher, will expand graduate education through $70-million in funding, growing to $220-million annually by 2009-10, resulting in 14,000 new spaces. "This is in line with York’s goal of growing graduate student enrolment to 11 per cent of the University’s full time enrolment by 2009," Dr. Marsden adds.

"The province’s commitment to graduate education is essential to advancing Ontario’s competitiveness. We must increase the number of people who pursue a university education for undergraduate degrees and for graduate programs as well if Ontario is going to be a player in the global economy."

Dr. Marsden also says the announcement of research initiatives -- including $17 million for three new awards to recognize new research and innovation talent -- continues the momentum of recent years.

Earlier this month, Minister of Training Colleges and Universities Chris Bentley announced improvements to post-secondary access. Particularly significant is the extension of Access Grants, providing more assistance to students from low-and-middle-income families. Book and supply allowance increases, frozen since the mid-1980s, also directly assist students.

"One of York’s founding goals was to reduce barriers, and we will continue to work with our colleagues and with the province to meet that goal,†says Robert Tiffin, York University vice-president students. “The province has taken significant steps to ensure that all eligible Ontario students have the financial support they need to access a university education."

"This is a good day for Ontario’s universities, municipalities, and for York," Dr. Marsden says. "The University shares in Ontario’s commitment to excellence."

York University is the leading interdisciplinary research and teaching university in Canada. York offers a modern, academic experience at the undergraduate and graduate level in Toronto, Canada’s most international city. The third largest university in the country, York is host to a dynamic academic community of 50,000 students and 7,000 faculty and staff, as well as 190,000 alumni worldwide. York’s 10 faculties and 22 research centres conduct ambitious, groundbreaking research that is interdisciplinary, cutting across traditional academic boundaries. This distinctive and collaborative approach is preparing students for the future and bringing fresh insights and solutions to real-world challenges. York University is an autonomous, not-for-profit corporation.
 
"Though I guess the current Milton GO schedule has something to do with that as well."

That, and I'm talking about a rerouted GO line through MCC. If one person stepped onto a GO train at Square One and another person stepped onto the Bloor line in the same place, who would get to Yonge & Bloor quicker? The GO guy, by maybe 20 minutes on average.

Still, a Kipling extension is usually dismissed much quicker than it seems it should be, especially when the ridiculous busway/Eglinton West combination is brought up as a valid alternative.

Yonge & Bloor to Scarborough Centre is 19 km and most think it is necessary - they're almost considering going all the way to Malvern, which would be 24km, even though there's massive GO potential right next door that's being ignored.

Yonge from Bloor to #7 is 19km. Spadina from St. George to #7 & Jane is 20km. Eglinton West is 13km to Renforth, 15km to the Airport. 20km would also get you a DRL from CityPlace to Don Mills & Sheppard, 26km gets you to Dundas West as well. Finally, Square One to Eglinton West station via the 403/Eglinton busway is 23km, or 30km if you continue on to Queen's Park station.

Bloor from St. George station to MCC is 23km. It would be farther from downtown than any other line (except the slim possibility of Malvern). Not everyone goes downtown, but where are the Mississaugans from the busway that end up at Renforth going? There's nothing along Eglinton itself. If the busway is to service the airport and the big business park, fine, but why does the subway need to connect there? To bring 416ers into the 905? The airport alone certainly does not deserve a subway connection.
 
That, and I'm talking about a rerouted GO line through MCC. If one person stepped onto a GO train at Square One and another person stepped onto the Bloor line in the same place, who would get to Yonge & Bloor quicker? The GO guy, by maybe 20 minutes on average.

Probably, but GO would still be an expensive rush hour M-F downtown commuter-focused service. Mississauga would still need its own rapid transit, the GTTA, fare integration and a much more frequent schedule for the rest of the city to be reasonably accessible.

Then there's still the issue of an actual reroute:

1. Tunnelling from roughly Cooksville to MCC?
2. New dedicated tracks since CN cargo seems to be the blocker in terms of higher frequency?

Aren't we essentially building a subway? :)

Still, a Kipling extension is usually dismissed much quicker than it seems it should be, especially when the ridiculous busway/Eglinton West combination is brought up as a valid alternative.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks so on both counts.
 
This is from TD Economics (www.td.com/economics) and while not specifically transit related, it is their take on the budget as a whole...

Budget Analysis


THE 2006 ONTARIO BUDGET

Released on March 23, 2006



HIGHLIGHTS

$1.4 deficit in FY 2005-06
Deficit still to be eliminated by FY 2008-09…
..but could be done earlier
Intention to eliminate capital tax by 2010
Infrastructure is the top spending priority
No commitment made on raising the provincial dividend tax credit


Despite an upward revision to its revenue picture, the Ontario government maintained its “go-slow†approach to deficit elimination in the 2006 budget, preferring instead to direct the incremental money to a host of areas. Similar to last year, there were few revenue initiatives in this budget, with the only one of note being a minor cut to the capital tax for 2007 and 2008 and a statement of intent to eliminate it by 2010 rather than 2012. Going forward, the government reiterated its promise to eliminate the deficit by fiscal 2008-09 at the latest. Still, barring a significant economic downturn, the groundwork appears to be laid for the government to announce that it has reached balance by 2007-08. Put another way, the government remains on track to deliver a good news budget next year, roughly 6 months ahead of the next provincial election.

Deficit estimated at $1.4 billion in fiscal 2005-06

At $1.4 billion, the estimated budget shortfall for the current fiscal year ending March 31st is estimated at half the $2.8 billion deficit than that had been planned in last year’s budget. Revenues are expected to roll in some $2.2 billion stronger than planned, largely owing to a stronger-than-expected take from corporate and personal income taxes. At the same time, debt service costs came in $0.7 billion lower than budgeted, while the government did not use its $1 billion contingency reserve set aside to protect against unforeseen circumstances. These three developments generated a positive fiscal “surprise†of almost $4 billion. However, a large share of these proceeds – about $2.5 billion – will flow out the door at year-end for a number of initiatives, notably $1.6 billion for transit projects in the GTA as well as other transportation investments. As a result, total spending growth was revised up to a hefty 7.4 per cent – in line with the increases recorded over the past two years. As a share of GDP, program spending jumped to a new 9-year high of 13.9 per cent.

Starting with this budget, the government has decided to consolidate into its annual budget the financial results of hospitals, colleges and schools, consistent with revised government accounting standards issued by the Public Sector Accounting Board (PSAB). While this move is laudable from a transparency perspective, its impacts are relatively small. In fiscal 2005-06, the estimated negative impact is $32 million, followed by a positive $104 million impact for fiscal 2006-07.

Deficit elimination plan remains largely unchanged

The government’s medium-term revenue picture has also brightened, with about $1 billion added on to last year’s budget projections for each of the next three years. In keeping with its recent practice of allocating any additional resources to the spending side, discretionary outlays have been revised up tit-for-tat, leaving the government’s deficit targets unaltered on a planning basis. While these projected deficits remain modest as a share of GDP, Ontario is likely to be one of only two provinces to remain in the red in this year’s budget season – P.E.I. being the other.

A back of the envelope calculation shows the extent to which the government has shifted its approach from tackling its deficit towards addressing its spending priorities. Compared to its inaugural 3-year deficit elimination plan in its 2004 budget – one that was extended to 4 years in last year’s budget – discretionary spending is targeted to be about $5.5 billion higher for fiscal 2006-07 than had been planned two years prior. Keep in mind that about $3 billion of that spending reflects re-directing increased federal transfers for health. Stripping this away still leaves discretionary spending some $2.5 billion higher than the initial level budgeted for 2006-07, or about double the underlying deficit forecast of $1.4 billion.

In last year’s budget, the education file took centre stage, as the government unveiled a multi-year plan to invest in the province’s universities and colleges. This year, the transportation area has scaled up the priorities’ list. In addition to planned investments in public transit, roads and highways across the province, the government has moved to create the Greater Toronto Transportation Authority to co-ordinate and improve regional transportation planning. As noted, almost $2 billion in transportation infrastructure funding was pre-booked to fiscal 2005-06, allowing the government to hold spending growth in fiscal years 2006-07 to 2008-09 at 3 per cent – in line with population growth and inflation. At $2 billion over 3 years, additional money for health continued to rank at the top end of the receivers’ list. Other areas also received significant new 3-year funding commitments, including increasing support for assistance for low-income individuals ($1.3 billion) and labour market and training ($1.4 billion). The government will also provide help to cash-strapped municipalities by taking back a share of social services that had been downloaded in the 1990s. The government will keep future spending at a moderate rate in part by setting a goal to secure modest savings of $750 million or one per cent of total program outlays, in fiscal 2006-07.

Once again, the government stuck to its vow to stay their hand on major tax cuts until after the budget is balanced. Still, the government’s newly-announced intention to accelerate its plan to eliminate the province’s capital tax was a step in the right direction, as this is the single most damaging levy on investment and capital generation. The rate would be cut by 5 per cent for 2007 and 2008. The government intends to eliminate the tax by 2010 rather than 2012 if funds are available. There was some speculation that the Ontario government would follow the lead of the federal government in eliminating double-taxation on dividend income by raising the provincial dividend tax credit. However, the government remains non-committal on the issue, indicating that it would wait until the federal changes are enacted into law, likely later this year.

With the election 18 months away, the government is well-positioned to record a balance budget by fiscal 2007-08 at the latest. Not that we see the economy performing much better than the modest growth outlook assumed in the budget – our forecasts of both real and nominal GDP increases are almost bang on those of the government. However, the government appears to be building in some caution into its revenue outlook. In fiscal 2006-07, the revenue-to-GDP ratio is assumed to drop by 0.4 percentage points, to 15.0 per cent. Granted, corporate profits are likely to come under pressure next year, as manufacturing continues to struggle. And, if the $1.5 billion contingency reserve is not needed, the zero-deficit goal will be reached in fiscal 2007-08.

Debt burden on a downward track

Although the addition of hospitals, colleges, and schools to the annual budget had little impact on the operating results, the same cannot be said for the debt. In fiscal 2005-06, the accumulated deficit dropped from $125.7 billion to $113.0 billion, reflecting the fact that the kick to assets from the addition of these sectors this year exceeded that to liabilities. As a result, the debt-to-GDP ratio is estimated to tumble from 24.3 per cent to 20.8 per cent in the current fiscal year. This is a one-time impact, however. Going forward, the debt-to-GDP ratio is projected to remain on a downward trend over the next few years, slipping to 18.5 per cent in fiscal 2008-09, which will likely keep Ontario in the middle of the pack.

In terms of gross borrowing requirements, after falling by an estimated $3.4 billion in fiscal 2005-06, the province’s total long-term needs are projected to drop further by $3.0 billion in fiscal 2006-07 and $1 billion in 2007-08, before ramping up again in fiscal 2008-09.

Bottom Line

With the government nearing its goal of balancing the budget, it will soon need to present a clear vision on where it wants to take this province in the post-deficit era. We hope that this blueprint would have at its heart a goal to raise the economy’s sagging productivity performance. Based on today’s budget, this vision is almost certain to include education, health care and infrastructure – areas that are certainly vital. However, we would hope that improved tax competitiveness finds a more prominent place on the agenda. We see today’s announcement on the capital tax as a step in the right direction. But, bolder efforts will be needed to bring Ontario’s personal and corporate income tax standing closer into line with its major Canadian and U.S. competitors. Further, this gap is only on track to widen further over the next few years, as a number of jurisdictions, including Alberta, B.C. and Saskatchewan, continue to trim their rates.



Derek Burleton, AVP & Senior Economist
416-982-2514

Sébastien Lavoie, Economist
416-944-5730
 
To quote David Miller:


"That link is a critical transportation link in Toronto because it links downtown to the 905 and creates a new transportation hub in Vaughan," said Toronto Mayor David Miller. "We should be city building. These links should have been done years ago."


Exactly. The area of Vaughan will become a transit hub.
 
So why have two stops at York U if VVC is meant to be the transit hub? The York stop could be combined with the Steeles stop somewhere on the York campus near Steeles.
 
Two pointz:
1. Toronto shouldn't be required to pay a red penny for this. This is the province's priority, not the city's.

2. Unless there will be a mechanism for York Region and Vaughan to contribute to the operation of this line, we should simply say, thanks but no thanks.

Borgos,

Toronto will pay their share, York will pay theirs - while the model hasn't been set yet, York Region is eager to be a part of this and financing is most definitely a part of the budget.

With respect to operational costs - that will be the most tricky part of the equation - I would expect the GTTA to be a part of defining this model.


We have to break of of this TTC/416 vs 905/suburbs model - the GTA is a single economic region and commutes and the movement of goods and services crosses municipal boundaries. The provincial goals for this line are about transit conections and extending the reach of the TTC. The Vaughan section of the line will include a pilot project for TIFs that should assist in financing and development along the line. Also Minister Caplan has spoken extensively about the need to integrate transit systems and to direct growth into specific nodes. The places to grow plan as well as aspects of Bill 51 are going to require municipalities including Vaughan to update their O.P.'s and zoning by-laws - minimum densities will be a new provision included (and mandated by the province) in growth centres such as VCC.

This is very much about city building and connecting the region together and not about me, me, me, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto.

Like it or not Mayor Miller has said that this is the top TTC expansion priority for a while. The provincial response is not ramming it down Toronto's throat like some suggested here. This is what the city's top expansion priority was and that is how MPIR responded.

Edit: Can't spell...
 
"I also keep seeing the Milton line re-route to MCC idea on this board. Can someone please explain to me how on earth that's more realistic than extending the Bloor line? Also, what about when the CN switches on the Milton line freeze every other day in a normal winter? Nevermind that GO is expensive."

You need to take a minute to toss out the classic Toronto false assumption that transit consists of 4 possible alternatives: GO bilevels, TTC subways, streetcars, and buses. Look at the alternatives used around the world. We say that we want to make a city that's as transit-oriented as those in Europe, but yet we're unwilling to look at what they use in Europe in order to accomplish those goals.

- The Bloor line is already well crowded during rush hours and fairly empty by the time the trains reach Kipling during other periods. Not only is the capacity not there further down the line, but the capacity isn't needed. Extending the subway is using a sledgehammer to drive in a thumbtack.
- The TTC has outdoor sections and its switches don't freeze up constantly. Heck, it hasn't even been that bad for GO lately. A very poor point.
- It’s not even as bad as you make it out to be, getting from downtown to MCC by TTC and MT will cost you $4.20 with tickets, while the GO 10-ride fare for the same trip is $4.05. Sure, GO is currently expensive, but what's to say it has to stay that way? This is a policy question. Do you really believe that you have to spend billions extra on infrastructure in order for riders to pay $2 rather than $4?

"Actually, it's not that different if you don't work right downtown near Union. I live in MCC and work at roughly Yonge & Davisville"

Well, of course it doesn't make a difference, you don't work downtown where most of the city's jobs are concentrated! Would you expect the York U extension to have any effect on your trip?

In the long term, if a downtown <> MCC service was viable, they might look in to running service from MCC down the midtown line, with a stop at Summerhill. In that case you would probably see your commute chopped by 2/3rds!
 

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