drum118
Superstar
I agree it should never been put there.
Where it should be put now is where that new plaza is going in. The other location is north-west corner of Hurontario and Burhamthorpe or over the 403.
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I agree it should never been put there.
Where it should be put now is where that new plaza is going in. The other location is north-west corner of Hurontario and Burhamthorpe or over the 403.
Anth
Active Member
Well that's disappointing, but explains why they're relatively new looking at least.
doady
Senior Member
I think the current terminal is good location for connecting to the transitway. Yes it inconveniences riders of the 26, but a terminal on the south side would inconvenience riders of the 9, 18, 20, 110, and all the GO buses. Same difference.
Remember that there are numerous bus stops in the city centre outside the terminal. The current location is the best location in terms of facilitating transfers, but Burnhamthorpe really should have a route that bypasses it, simlar to Eglinton and Hurontario.
Remember that there are numerous bus stops in the city centre outside the terminal. The current location is the best location in terms of facilitating transfers, but Burnhamthorpe really should have a route that bypasses it, simlar to Eglinton and Hurontario.
khris
Senior Member
Personally I'd rather transfer from the 26 to the 19 at Hurontario, instead of staying on the bus to go to say Hurontario & Eglington for example. And have the 19 bypass Square One altogether.
I know how much people hate transferring, but I'd rather a grid system than a system based on the mall and a terminal.
I know how much people hate transferring, but I'd rather a grid system than a system based on the mall and a terminal.
Anth
Active Member
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doady
Senior Member
Just minor schedule adjustments, nothing to be excited about.
I am surprised that the "Big 5" have not had increased weekend service for a very, very long time. I mean, wow, exactly how overcrowded will they allow these routes to become? Never mind the busiest routes, even the minor routes are starting to become overcrowded on the weekend.
In my experience, weekend midday ridership is higher and than weekday midday ridership on many routes, and yet the service levels provided does not reflect that... MT has increased weekday service a lot but the weekend service has been left unchanged.
I am surprised that the "Big 5" have not had increased weekend service for a very, very long time. I mean, wow, exactly how overcrowded will they allow these routes to become? Never mind the busiest routes, even the minor routes are starting to become overcrowded on the weekend.
In my experience, weekend midday ridership is higher and than weekday midday ridership on many routes, and yet the service levels provided does not reflect that... MT has increased weekday service a lot but the weekend service has been left unchanged.
drum118
Superstar
Well they better be adding more buses to the #3 as too many close doors or crush loads. Since the director of MT use 3 and 6, he cannot not see this since he always going against the flow in the first place and use it only once a week.
Went in with a crush load of 70 today and came home with 75 on the #3. I have a photo to show it since councils likes show and tell.
Weekends are the pits where an 1:05 weekday trips will takes 1:25 on Sat. Sunday, it's close to 2hrs since I have to walk 15 minute to a stop just to get to Sq, let alone up to Meadowville compare to my 5 minute walk 6 days of the week.
I have the breakdown on ridership for all the routes now and some numbers surprise me, well most don't. The cost ratio is lower than I expect.
Cost to put a bus on the road is $98.50/hr
It's the same old story of doing Peter to pay Paul. Had to cut $500,000 from 2009 operating cost, meaning less buses on the road. If you want more service, which route do you want to take a bus off.
There is supposed to be a 5 year ridership growth plan to add 25% more riders to the system and so far MT has only seen 3% over 2 years.
Why would anyone want to get out of their car or even try using transit when there is poor service and it cost too much.
Since 2000 a weekly pass has gone up 71% and come Jan 28, it will be 85% with no real improvement for that money.
The last weekend count was done in 2006.
khris
Senior Member
This is exactly what I have been saying for years now. Transit is like the poor man's option. Not the "green, friendly" option that everyone(media, etc) says it is.
doady
Senior Member
Wha...?
Ridership
2005 - 27,993,394
2006 - 29,022,030 (+3.7%)
2007 - 30,128,696 (+3.8%)
That's 7.7% growth between 2005 to 2007.
Since when does level of service have anything to with fares? If Mississauga only has 1/4 the level of transit service as Toronto, does that mean that a monthly bus pass should only cost $25? Does that mean that any service increase can be used as justification for fare increase? That doesn't make sense to me.
Dan416
Senior Member
You would think with the current economic situation and people having less money they would have to take transit instead of cars.
khris
Senior Member
The current economic situation isn't affecting us like it is the rest of the world.
Also it's affecting banks and businesses more so than individuals.
drum118
Superstar
Ranking Routes Riders Subsidy
1 19 14,988 $0.15
2 26 11,860 $0.53
3 19A 8,201 $0.31
4 3 8,186 $0.45
5 1 8,139 $0.44
6 1c 7,607 $0.19
7 5 6,469 $0.94
8 13 4,410 $1.65
9 42 4,136 $1.07
10 7 3,933 $1.38
11 10 3,736 $1.20
12 23 3,630 $0.71
13 48 3,606 $1.13
14 20 3,535 $0.51
15 8 2,918 $1.65
16 66 2,912 $0.61
17 9 2,832 $1.06
18 34 2,766 $1.38
19 22 2,684 $0.10
20 61 2,670 $1.55
21 38 2,634 $1.99
22 89 2,540 $0.84
23 201 2,490 $1.01
24 5B 2,329 $0.11
25 206 2,197 $1.17
26 44 2,178 $1.48
27 51 1,959 $2.02
28 28 1,987 $0.88
29 6 1,959 $1.85
30 202 1,933 $0.80
31 39 1,832 $1.58
32 11 1,764 $1.01
33 53 1,703 $1.59
34 4 1,569 $1.31
35 36 1,509 $0.93
36 45 1,475 $2.31
37 35 1,367 $2.56
38 15 1,245 $0.02
39 51A 1,229 $0.11
40 61A 1,224 $0.05
41 18 1,086 $2.85
42 11A 1,031 $1.04
43 57 906 $2.79
44 31 889 $3.36
45 68 839 $1.96
46 16 793 $0.99
47 24 738 $1.10
48 45A 722 $1.95
49 27 596 $2.32
50 70 556 $1.00
51 12 543 $1.71
52 17 497 $2.50
53 49 459 $2.44
54 67 449 $3.20
55 49A 433 $0.87
56 30 419 $2.32
57 65 331 $3.64
58 47 309 $1.23
58 82 246 $2.31
60 50 214 $5.15
61 74 125 $9.48
62 82A 105 $3.11
63 64 101 $1.64
64 62 92 $0.92
65 60 77 $2.11
66 25 74 $5.85
67 37A 68 $4.13
68 43 54 $10.39
69 63 44 $5.15
70 15B 28 $18.18
71 37 27 $12.13
159,192 $158.45
$2.23
1 19 14,988 $0.15
2 26 11,860 $0.53
3 19A 8,201 $0.31
4 3 8,186 $0.45
5 1 8,139 $0.44
6 1c 7,607 $0.19
7 5 6,469 $0.94
8 13 4,410 $1.65
9 42 4,136 $1.07
10 7 3,933 $1.38
11 10 3,736 $1.20
12 23 3,630 $0.71
13 48 3,606 $1.13
14 20 3,535 $0.51
15 8 2,918 $1.65
16 66 2,912 $0.61
17 9 2,832 $1.06
18 34 2,766 $1.38
19 22 2,684 $0.10
20 61 2,670 $1.55
21 38 2,634 $1.99
22 89 2,540 $0.84
23 201 2,490 $1.01
24 5B 2,329 $0.11
25 206 2,197 $1.17
26 44 2,178 $1.48
27 51 1,959 $2.02
28 28 1,987 $0.88
29 6 1,959 $1.85
30 202 1,933 $0.80
31 39 1,832 $1.58
32 11 1,764 $1.01
33 53 1,703 $1.59
34 4 1,569 $1.31
35 36 1,509 $0.93
36 45 1,475 $2.31
37 35 1,367 $2.56
38 15 1,245 $0.02
39 51A 1,229 $0.11
40 61A 1,224 $0.05
41 18 1,086 $2.85
42 11A 1,031 $1.04
43 57 906 $2.79
44 31 889 $3.36
45 68 839 $1.96
46 16 793 $0.99
47 24 738 $1.10
48 45A 722 $1.95
49 27 596 $2.32
50 70 556 $1.00
51 12 543 $1.71
52 17 497 $2.50
53 49 459 $2.44
54 67 449 $3.20
55 49A 433 $0.87
56 30 419 $2.32
57 65 331 $3.64
58 47 309 $1.23
58 82 246 $2.31
60 50 214 $5.15
61 74 125 $9.48
62 82A 105 $3.11
63 64 101 $1.64
64 62 92 $0.92
65 60 77 $2.11
66 25 74 $5.85
67 37A 68 $4.13
68 43 54 $10.39
69 63 44 $5.15
70 15B 28 $18.18
71 37 27 $12.13
159,192 $158.45
$2.23
drum118
Superstar
Ridership is only up 1.7% so far this year considering the high fuel cost. At this rate we will not meet the 25% as call for let alone 20%.
A weekly pass has gone from $14 to $24 in 8 years for 71% increase and come Jan 28 when the pass goes to $26, it will be 87% increase. At the same time, quality of service on major routes have see very to no increase at all.
They just stole a bus of #3 come Dec with headway going to 19-20 minutes, yet I get on buses for off peak that are crush load level 1-3, let alone peak load. Seen a number close doors also.
doady
Senior Member
Wow, some routes really have abysmal performance. All the GO shuttles, routes 18, 25, 37, 43, 50 should all be canceled immediately.
Some other existing routes can be extended or re-aligned to replace the lost service.
And who's fault is that? MT's situation is no different from any other transit system in Ontario. The province is the one that needs to provide more funding.
Some other existing routes can be extended or re-aligned to replace the lost service.
And who's fault is that? MT's situation is no different from any other transit system in Ontario. The province is the one that needs to provide more funding.
drum118
Superstar
43, 25, 37, 74 are on the chopping block.
As for the fare, it is the city itself for allow low density in the first place as well poor service. If there was better service, ridership would increase, but better density would be better. You can only blame the province for some of the problems. Poor land use goes along way for all cities as well the greed of the oil industries for low ridership as well poor planning and schedules.
I agree on re-lineament. On a 27E, only 12 riders from Meadowville to Hurontario St on my first ride on it on Thursday.