Metrolinx: Bombardier Flexity Freedom & Alstom Citadis Spirit LRVs

[W. K. Lis]

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Oh, Eglinton is single cab. I can't keep track. So what is to come of these 5-car double-cab ones for Metrolinx?

Eglinton Freedom light rail vehicles will have double cabs. Cannot be used on the legacy streetcar network, because their bodies will be wider and will use standard track gauge, not the TTC track gauge. No loops on Eglinton, will crossover like the subway trains. Could operate as single car train or multiple car trains, depending upon demand.

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

Eglinton Freedom light rail vehicles will have double cabs. Cannot be used on the legacy streetcar network, because their bodies will be wider and will use standard track gauge, not the TTC track gauge.

No as has already been established Metrolinx ordered the Eglinton Freedoms with single cabs as they'll almost always be paired together.

 

[W. K. Lis]

No as has already been established Metrolinx ordered the Eglinton Freedoms with single cabs as they'll almost always be paired together.

Reference please?

 

[nfitz]

Reference please?

There was something about one of the lines being like this in all the lawsuit documents that were flying around.

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

Reference please?

https://www.scribd.com/document/345648982/Bombardier-v-Metrolinx-Reasons-for-Decision

Paragraph [21]

The decision to move to single-cab LRVs for Eglinton was made in 2012-2013 by Metrolinx

 

[W. K. Lis]

https://www.scribd.com/document/345648982/Bombardier-v-Metrolinx-Reasons-for-Decision

Paragraph [21]

The decision to move to single-cab LRVs for Eglinton was made in 2012-2013 by Metrolinx

Found the reference in paragraph 21:

So we have until November of 2018 to see the first Bombardier Flexity Freedom light rail vehicle being delivered to Mt. Dennis intended for the Eglinton Crosstown LRT. Hopefully two.

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

So we have until November of 2018 to see the first Bombardier Flexity Freedom light rail vehicle being delivered to Mt. Dennis intended for the Eglinton Crosstown LRT. Hopefully two.

MTX also has until November 2018 to ensure that they can actually be delivered to Mt. Dennis. Bombardier is already more than capable of meeting their delivery obligations.

 

[nfitz]

MTX also has until November 2018 to ensure that they can actually be delivered to Mt. Dennis. Bombardier is already more than capable of meeting their delivery obligations.

Are they? They haven't manufactured any single-cap vehicles as far as I know. (though seems straight forward enough given they've had/got 24 cars for Edmonton and Waterloo already in various states of assembly - and the 1-cab version should be simpler (and cheaper - making the price increase by Metrolinx for these 76 cars even more silly).

 

[Andy T]

Reference please?

This was already talked about on page 75 of the discussion. For those who may have forgotten or haven't seen it yet, this is what the rear is going to look like.
https://cptdb.ca/uploads/monthly_2017_04/SCC.jpg.b26806f892a044fcc68abe37fecbb608.jpg

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

Are they? They haven't manufactured any single-cap vehicles as far as I know. (though seems straight forward enough given they've had/got 24 cars for Edmonton and Waterloo already in various states of assembly - and the 1-cab version should be simpler (and cheaper - making the price increase by Metrolinx for these 76 cars even more silly).

I remember hearing that the second Metrolinx Pilot LRV only has one cab

 

[Amare]

Would be nice to see Citadis Vehicles on Eglinton, they seem better designed than the Freedoms IMO, do the longer segments pose any issues with the track?

From what I know, if the Citadis were to be used on Eglinton it would require some pretty substantial modification of the maintenance facility at Mount Dennis (ie: the track layout and positioning would have to be modified). I'm not sure how it would impact the rest of the line though.

 

[W. K. Lis]

With single cabs in the Freedom vehicles, that could mean only pairs can be used for trains. Two or four car trains would be preferred.

 

[cplchanb]

With single cabs in the Freedom vehicles, that could mean only pairs can be used for trains. Two or four car trains would be preferred.

cant they just link it like they do for odd number locos on freight trains? front front back?

 

[smallspy]

I remember hearing that the second Metrolinx Pilot LRV only has one cab

That is correct. The first unit is a twin-cab unit, the second has only one.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

 

[Kyle Campbell]

cant they just link it like they do for odd number locos on freight trains? front front back?

They definitely can. Other than bothering people who like symmetry, there's no real restriction on the middle cars. Afaik the crosstown doesn't have provisions for 4 car trains, the max is 3