Towered
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Puritan Toronto won't die easily.
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Mayor Olivia Chow's Toronto
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TossYourJacket
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I was looking at the Star article about this and there was a comment that I think sums up the opposition: "why don't they just go to their friends' backyards instead?" And I don't think it was poorly intentioned, but it shows how a subset of people in Toronto don't realise how many people don't have backyards, or maybe even know people with backyards. Like how many 20-(or at this point 30-)somethings in this city are going to have friends who have backyards? People who are in a situation where they have their own outdoor space don't get that for people without their own outdoor space, parks are that space. They just assume this is people wanting to behave irresponsibly, not that this is the only option to be outside with friends for many people in the city (without paying insane prices on a patio).
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adma
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Another thing to remember: not everyone drinks, or at least internalizes "liquid pleasure" as a must-have. And they might still view the issue through the prism of having witnessed bums with liquor bottles on the subway, etc.
evandyk
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I'm your pretty typical professional with a young kid, and I've had beer/cider in a park with friends on quite a few occasions over the last few years, probably more often since having a kid. For those of us with balconies and kids, it's the best place to have a low-key social occasion with friends. Bars/patios are fine, and we can all afford them, but it's a lot easier and cheaper to go to a park. The kids can run around to their hearts' content (and you can bring dogs!), and if you have to bail for whatever reason, not much lost.
I'm not sure the 30% of people who are opposed are thinking of youngish professionals with toddlers having a beer with their friends (and kids/dogs) when they think of drinking being allowed in parks.
I'm not sure the 30% of people who are opposed are thinking of youngish professionals with toddlers having a beer with their friends (and kids/dogs) when they think of drinking being allowed in parks.
zang
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My money is on that 30% thinking this will lead to more homeless encampments or some ridiculous BS like that.
christiesplits
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Yes, also a lot of seniors and possibly different cultural communities.
karledice
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She's too much
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Some of us may want to look at this and complete the survey.
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Stormwater Charge & Water Service Charge Consultation
Stormwater Charge & Water Service Charge Consultation
Thank you for your interest in this consultation. Consultation has been paused to allow City staff to do further work to align the possible implementation of a stormwater charge and water service charge with the City’s broader climate resilience strategy, as well as the commercial parking levy...
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Some of us may want to look at this and complete the survey.
Stormwater Charge & Water Service Charge Consultation
Stormwater Charge & Water Service Charge Consultation
Thank you for your interest in this consultation. Consultation has been paused to allow City staff to do further work to align the possible implementation of a stormwater charge and water service charge with the City’s broader climate resilience strategy, as well as the commercial parking levy...
Yup, discussed in a post on the previous page:
Mayor Olivia Chow's Toronto
We really may be getting a commercial parking lot levy! This coming to Executive next week: https://secure.toronto.ca/council/agenda-item.do?item=2024.EX12.3 As a result of this research, staff are recommending the following parking levy design principles in the application of a commercial...
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Yes, 'consultation paused".
evandyk
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If they are actually going to do the parking levy, obviously they have to be coordinated. What will likely happen instead is they'll pause this, study the levy to death but no actually implement it, then we've lost two years on this as well.
Northern Light
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For clarity, the need to study aligning these 2 charges was flagged by Councillor Carroll during the City budget process.
Then I (among others) also chirped in on the problems, particularly w/the storm water charge.
Finally, the fact that that problematic pseudo Liberal curmudgeon Warren Kinsella managed to get the City some negative publicity around the world over its 'rain tax' all likely contributed to the need for a more public pause (the re-think was happening anyway)
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karledice
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Cut service around parks e.g. the expensive to maintain Love Park with water fountains and features etc. should be cut
I heard a study done on parks to build it yield the same results as all other studies around park (why people use them and what people want in them)
And the consultant charged the city 500k....????
Save those dollars for more important things.
I heard a study done on parks to build it yield the same results as all other studies around park (why people use them and what people want in them)
And the consultant charged the city 500k....????
Save those dollars for more important things.