We see the hand wringing in Eastern Ontario for the loss of what amounts to a federally operated commuter service to Toronto while elsewhere we have seen the provincial commuter service to all intents compete with a federal one. What I’m saying is that everything on this thread will always be a matter of opinion because there is no transparent mechanism to plan service in this province or country, especially when private competing interests would rush to put their thumbs on the scale if any were to be proposed. In the case of the discussions above, I would have brought a reinstated Northlander no further than North Bay, but the part beyond North Bay seems most attractive to the government proponents for political reasons.