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Israel will be 'wiped off map,' Iranian leader says

So being a democracy absolves them of any responsibility? Was the US justified in attacking Iraq simply because it's a democracy? What about apartheid-era South Africa? Nazi Germany?

Sorry, you can't do as you please just because you're a democracy.
 
Sorry, you can't do as you please just because you're a democracy.
I'm not saying nor implying as such. My comment was more towards those who spend their days critisizing the only free country in the region while rarely coming to their defence.
What about apartheid-era South Africa? Nazi Germany?
So now we're comparing Israel to South Africa and Nazi Germany? Forgetting the obvious tenious comparision, Israel is a full democracy, where every citizen (Jew, Muslim, Christian and other) can freely vote, where multiple parties work together and against each other in coalition.

IMO Israel would be quite happy to peacefully live amoungst its neighbours. However, it's rarely been permitted to do so, being forced to fight numerous times against numerically superior enemies for its very survival, including being attacked immediately upon its foundation as a state by the UN partition plan by joint Jordanian, Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese and Iraqi troops. Even today we've got Iran demanding the destruction of Israel. Of course this sort of talk is not new...on the day that Israel declared its independence, the Arab League Secretary-General Azzam Pasha said, "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/194...sraeli_War

Israel's not perfect, and their foreign policy is a function of its frequent leadership changes (that darn democracy thing again) and its close relationship with the USA. However, Israel, as the only free and democratic state in a sea of aggressive despots and dictators deserves our help and respect, not derision.
 
I consider a 35 year old military occupation that has become a festering wound to be a significant problem.
 
"Re: Israel will be 'wiped off map,' Iranian leader says"
This is the title of the thread. As we are discussing the comments of the President of Iran in regards to Israel, the fact that somehow the blame of these comments have shifted to Israel is laughable.
 
This is the title of the thread. As we are discussing the comments of the President of Iran in regards to Israel, the fact that somehow the blame of these comments have shifted to Israel is laughable.
No post I've read has shifted the blame of those comments.
 
peace in the middle east will happen when poison ivy doesn't irritate humans.

for now, stay away from leaves of three.
 
I consider a 35 year old military occupation that has become a festering wound to be a significant problem.

Yes it is. But so is a long history of Palestinian "leaders" who focussed all their attention on trying to fight a war they could never win, fighting each other in some enlarged form of a gangland turf battle, and doing little or no planning for creating an independant nation. It is also interesting to note how no one talks about Jordan's occupation of the West Bank previous to the Isreali occupation.
 
I consider a 35 year old military occupation that has become a festering wound to be a significant problem.
It's the very existance of Israel that the Arab neighbours can't tollerate, not the occupation of the West Bank. Don't fool yourself into thinking that all would fine and peaceful in the ME if only Israel would abandon the West Bank.
 
more bad news....



Iran Removing 40 Ambassadors From Posts

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer 49 minutes ago

TEHRAN, Iran -
Iran's hard-line government said Wednesday it was removing 40 ambassadors and senior diplomats, including supporters of warmer ties with the West, from their posts in a shake-up that comes as the Islamic republic takes a more confrontational international stance.


Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki announced the changes to parliament, saying "the missions of more than 40 ambassadors and heads of Iranian diplomatic missions abroad will expire by the end of the year," which is March 20 under the Iranian calendar.

Mottaki, quoted by the state-run Islamic Republic News Agency, did not specify which ambassadors were among those being removed.

But IRNA said they included the ambassador to London, Mohammad Hossein Adeli, one of Iran's top diplomats and a leading member of the pragmatic foreign policy wing that supports contacts with Europe.

The moves give the new government of ultraconservative President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the chance to purge pro-reform figures brought in by his predecessor, moderate
Mohammad Khatami, and install its own supporters.

Ahmadinejad has taken a tougher line on a number of issues, particularly negotiations with Britain, France and Germany over Iran's controversial nuclear program. Hard-liners have criticized Khatami's government for agreeing to freeze much of the country's atomic activities during the talks, and Ahmadinejad already has replaced much of the negotiating team with hard-liners.

The new president, elected in June, also generated a storm of international criticism last week when he called for
Israel's eradication, saying it should be "wiped off the map."

Tensions with Europe and the United States over the nuclear issue are high after Iran ended part of its freeze on nuclear activities earlier this year, resuming uranium conversion at a plant in Isfahan. Washington accuses Iran of secretly aiming to develop nuclear weapons, while Tehran counters that its nuclear program is for generating electricity.

The U.N. nuclear watchdog agency, the
International Atomic Energy Agency, will review Iran's cooperation on the nuclear issue during a Nov. 24 meeting, and Washington is pressing for Tehran to be referred to the
U.N. Security Council, where it could face sanctions for violating the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

Sanctions, however, are unlikely.

Iran is sending conflicting signals to an international community concerned about its nuclear agenda, granting U.N. inspectors access to a secret military site but also saying it would process a new batch of uranium that could be used to make atomic weapons, diplomats in Vienna, Austria, said Wednesday on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the media.

The diplomats said IAEA experts were allowed to revisit a high-security military site in Parchin as they try to establish whether Tehran has a secret nuclear weapons program.

Parchin has been linked by the United States and other nations to alleged experiments linked to nuclear arms. The IAEA had for months been trying to follow up on a visit in January for further checks of buildings and areas within the sprawling military complex as it looks for traces of radioactivity.

Iran also has handed over documents and granted interviews with several senior officials believed linked to black market purchases of uranium enrichment technology, the diplomats said.

Ahmadinejad's victory in June elections sealed the decline of Iran's reform movement and solidified the control of hard-liners over the government. Some Iranians fear Ahmadinejad — a longtime member of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards — will bring back the policies of restrictions at home and confrontation abroad seen after the 1979 Islamic Revolution led by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

On Wednesday, more than 10,000 demonstrators shouted "Death to America!" and "Death to Israel!" in front of the former U.S. Embassy in Tehran in the largest such demonstration in years.

Hard-liners organize protests at the site annually to mark the anniversary of the Nov. 4, 1979 seizure of the embassy by student militants.

Demonstrators carried a large picture of Ahmadinejad emblazoned with his quote, "Israel must be wiped off the map." They burned U.S. and Israeli flags and effigies of
President Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Arial Sharon. Some wore a traditional Palestinian kaffiyah headdress, symbolizing their readiness to fight Israel.

"We have to continue our confrontation with the United States and Israel. This could help the world get rid of the arrogant powers," the hard-line Jomhuri Eslami daily said in an editorial.

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Associated Press reporter George Jahn in Vienna, Austria, contributed to this report.
 
These Iranians are a strange bunch, using hatred of the outside to divert rage and reflection upon the terrible conditions inside Iran.

Though I have to say, some of the most beautiful women I know are of Iranian origin. How's that for OT.
 
These Iranians are a strange bunch, using hatred of the outside to divert rage and reflection upon the terrible conditions inside Iran.

and do you think they're stupid for doing this?

they're just doing what hitler & dubya (to a less covert extent) did.
 
It's the very existance of Israel that the Arab neighbours can't tollerate, not the occupation of the West Bank. Don't fool yourself into thinking that all would fine and peaceful in the ME if only Israel would abandon the West Bank.

Yes, and no. You're generalizing quite a bit there. While there are obviously extremists who will only accept the total destruction of Israel, the governments of many Middle Eastern countries have been shown to be more than reasonable partners. Egypt and Jordan signed peace agreements with Israel in good faith, and there is no question that both sides have respected those agreements despite massive prior differences. Israel and Arab states are more than capable of coming to reasonable peace settlements as long as both are willing to make necessary compromises.
 
they're just doing what hitler & dubya (to a less covert extent) did
Can we henceforth dispense with any and all Bush/Hitler analogies, please? They're historically illiterate and stupid.
 

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