GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

[Krypto98]

We are talking about RER service on the Milton line. How would there be ANY cost from CN? I'm really baffled here.

Obviously there's be significant money going to CP.

I'd think there'd be space - the ROW looks to be over 120 feet wide - is that enough for 6 tracks? 5 for sure.

Can they do 2-way all-day with just one new track and a grade separation? There's already 3 (and in some places 4 tracks) almost all the way west to Brampton, and then from just west of Brampton to past Mount Pleasant.

I just checked. The ROW at Mill St is 22 meters wide(72 feet), but further west it looks to be 30 meters (100 feet). The south track looks 100% possible but a north track would require the heritage building to be moved a couple of meters north. As well the reconstruction of a few bridges at Main Street, Queen Street, Etobicoke Creek, Center Street,

 

[Urban Sky]

I just checked. The ROW at Mill St is 22 meters wide(72 feet), but further west it looks to be 30 meters (100 feet). The south track looks 100% possible but a north track would require the heritage building to be moved a couple of meters north. As well the reconstruction of a few bridges at Main Street, Queen Street, Etobicoke Creek, Center Street,

It's not just about the space (and capital costs!) for adding additional tracks: for AD2D with headways of 15 minutes and better, you'd presumably also need to place somewhere a grade separation (flyover over CPs tracks) - and preferably already East of Kipling, since all of GOs platforms are currently on the North side of Galt Subdivision...

 

[nfitz]

I just checked. The ROW at Mill St is 22 meters wide(72 feet), but further west it looks to be 30 meters (100 feet).

Mill Street in Streetsville? I don't think it's near the tracks.

It does look narrower through Streetsville though. Looks about 88 feet (4 chains, 27-metres) at Thomas to me. Though only 20 metres at Princess. Now I'm looking at PIN mapping, I'm surprised by how variable it is - and what I thought was 37-metres, seems to include a 10-metres city buffer.

 

[Krypto98]

Mill Street in Streetsville? I don't think it's near the tracks.

It does look narrower through Streetsville though. Looks about 88 feet (4 chains, 27-metres) at Thomas to me. Though only 20 metres at Princess. Now I'm looking at PIN mapping, I'm surprised by how variable it is - and what I thought was 37-metres, seems to include a 10-metres city buffer.

Mill street in downtown brampton

 

[Krypto98]

It's not just about the space (and capital costs!) for adding additional tracks: for AD2D with headways of 15 minutes and better, you'd presumably also need to place somewhere a grade separation (flyover over CPs tracks) - and preferably already East of Kipling, since all of GOs platforms are currently on the North side of Galt Subdivision...

I was talking about the CN halton subdivision on the kitchener line

 

[Urban Sky]

I was talking about the CN halton subdivision on the kitchener line

Okay, I didn't catch this since you were directly responding to someone who just wants to talk about the Milton Corridor in isolation of anything else. Anyways, you also have to somehow cross CN's transcontinental line, but given that you probably can avoid having minimum headways of 15 minutes beyond Mount Pleasant, you might be able to avoid a flyover. Nevertheless, that might mean that you have to bunch up any intercity trains with RER trains (assuming both run at a minimum headway of 30 minutes), to maintain 20 minute windows for freight...

 

[Allandale25]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1453757766842167304

 

[Northern Light]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1453757766842167304

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Direct link to article:

GO train plan that will help tens of thousands of Mississauga and Milton residents a priority, says transport minister | inSauga

A plan to expand the Milton GO train line that would benefit tens of thousands of Mississauga residents and workers is near the top of the priority list for Mississauga Centre MP and federal Minister of Transport Omar Alghabra, who retained his post in Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s latest...

www.insauga.com

 

[innsertnamehere]

This is a very odd approach to me, the provincial and municipal governments were not pushing for this service at all as far as I know. It's very unusual for the Federal Government to be the one to push for a project instead of just doling out the federal infrastructure dollars as the province wishes. It's gotta be a pet project of Alghabras.

 

[Northern Light]

This is a very odd approach to me, the provincial and municipal governments were not pushing for this service at all as far as I know. It's very unusual for the Federal Government to be the one to push for a project instead of just doling out the federal infrastructure dollars as the province wishes. It's gotta be a pet project of Alghabras.

Not sure that's the correct read:

From: https://www.progressiverailroading....ommitment-for-Milton-Corridor-upgrades--64297

 

[sacred]

Is the expectation that this would be hourly service off-peak?

 

[Northern Light]

Is the expectation that this would be hourly service off-peak?

Others would know better than I what may be planned; but for $1B which is the estimate I'm seeing tossed around, I would hope for better, at least in the core section of the network.

Hourly 2WAD to Milton, but either 30M or 15M service between Union and say Erindale??? (entirely speculative on my part)

 

[anb]

I believe Union to Cooksville would be the priority due to the LRT connection however Erindale is the only station that has a 2nd platform on the entire line besides Streetsville (correct me if i’m wrong), and it does seem like a great station for all day service. There are some who prefer going to this station over Cooksville to get to Square One, and it does feel like its closer to it so maybe a form of RT along Rathburn could actually make our Union-Square One priority a thing?

 

[Allandale25]

This is a very odd approach to me, the provincial and municipal governments were not pushing for this service at all as far as I know. It's very unusual for the Federal Government to be the one to push for a project instead of just doling out the federal infrastructure dollars as the province wishes. It's gotta be a pet project of Alghabras.

I disagree. Mayor Crombie and members of Council have been vocally calling for more service on the Milton Line for years. It's always include as a top priority (and noted on the Mississauga's website) when they are logging the provincial and federal governments at AMO and FCM. The City commissioned IBI Group to do on the Missing Link report. So I can't see how it could be described as just a pet project for one politician.

 

[innsertnamehere]

I disagree. Mayor Crombie and members of Council have been vocally calling for more service on the Milton Line for years. It's always include as a top priority (and noted on the Mississauga's website) when they are logging the provincial and federal governments at AMO and FCM. The City commissioned IBI Group to do on the Missing Link report. So I can't see how it could be described as just a pet project for one politician.

good point. I guess I'm just surprised the first funding announcement came from the Feds instead of the province as it's usually their jurisdiction.