turbanplanner
Senior Member
TBF my friends downtown ESPICALLY those in liberty village complain about congestion and traffic. Worst of both worlds imo!
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GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)
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crs1026
Superstar
I think we can accept that the roads are really quite full in this city. Doesn't mean we endorse DoFo's solutions or want to enlarge the road network.
But it's a definite change from even a decade ago, and the trend is noted by anyone who has been trying to get around. For many, it does take some getting used to, and plenty of people are still making the adjustment..
- Paul
But it's a definite change from even a decade ago, and the trend is noted by anyone who has been trying to get around. For many, it does take some getting used to, and plenty of people are still making the adjustment..
- Paul
evandyk
Senior Member
Liberty village is a suburb shoehorned between a rail line and a highway.
evandyk
Senior Member
I was responding to a comment that suggested spending billions on Go is not a good election move for Conservatives. I think it is because in the suburban ridings around Toronto, people know that good transit to Toronto will reduce traffic and make their lives better, which it will.
They also think that spending billions on building a tunnel under the 401 or getting rid of tolls on the 407 will make their lives better. Of course, those won't because they're car-focused and will just get us more of the same.
dowlingm
Senior Member
How much of suburb traffic is downtowners driving there, and how much the reverse.
turbanplanner
Senior Member
It depends on what you consider the suburbs? Are we talking about Oakville or Scarborough?
The biggest issue with liberty Village, especially with the Cofare is that transit seems to only exist to shuttle people to Union Station to work in their office towers. Any other trip is painfully long (and usually involves at least three vehicles)
evandyk
Senior Member
Liberty Village continues to be a pretty big transportation failure. It's built at a density that does not support people getting around by driving, but the transit provided doesn't actually enable people to get around the city reasonably efficiently. You have a slow King streetcar to Line 1, a frequent but packed Dufferin bus to Line 2, or an infrequent Ossington bus. For thousands of people, most of whom just moved here from the suburbs or a small town and are used to getting around by car. So they get in their car and sit in endless traffic on East Liberty.
Just like what will happen in the lower Don lands.
And let's add another 700+ units, with three parking spots for residents. At least they won't be sitting in traffic on Liberty St., but they'll be walking/cycling to most places faster than the TTC will get them there. And the city will have to go to Doug Ford for permission to add any bike lanes.
Just like what will happen in the lower Don lands.
And let's add another 700+ units, with three parking spots for residents. At least they won't be sitting in traffic on Liberty St., but they'll be walking/cycling to most places faster than the TTC will get them there. And the city will have to go to Doug Ford for permission to add any bike lanes.
55-Storey Proposal Could Be Liberty Village's Tallest Yet | UrbanToronto
Liberty Village could see a dramatic shift in scale with a 55-storey mixed-use tower proposed at 147 Liberty Street. Designed by Sweeny &Co Architects Inc. for Intentional Capital, it would be the tallest in the immediate area, located within walking distance of the future Exhibition station on...
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sixrings
Senior Member
I understand what you’re saying BUT the fact is the government let people build their houses there so at some point they have to provide the transit. And Toronto is guilty of this too. Toronto had great planning and then we got north of St Claire or Eglinton area and we went from semis to SFH. Hard to serve by transit. Is it easier to serve than the 905 sure but they shouldn’t have been built either.
Toronto can’t also be begging people to come back in the office to help their downtown businesses yet at the same time not be offering those people ways to get there.
turbanplanner
Senior Member
I don't get why there isn't a rule or tax incentive for WFH, but even the federal government claim to be champions of pro environmental policies are forcing people back in.
sixrings
Senior Member
Agreed but then you have another problem that a whole bunch of people work from home and somehow downtown can’t financially survive off the people living there.
The big banks who just built those billion dollar office buildings with the idea of renting out their old offices have a lot of real estate investments. They want them to mean something.
But it’s weird. WFH theoretically saves a fortune on transit and is good for the environment. You would think that’s the clear winner but it’s not.
turbanplanner
Senior Member
Not even 5 days a week, mandating 1 day a week would really help people who work for smaller companies that forced everyone back in the office
evandyk
Senior Member
None of the big banks own either their new office towers or their old ones. They're pretty much all owned by pension funds who rent them to the banks.
kotsy
Senior Member
Liberty Village continues to be a pretty big transportation failure. It's built at a density that does not support people getting around by driving, but the transit provided doesn't actually enable people to get around the city reasonably efficiently. You have a slow King streetcar to Line 1, a frequent but packed Dufferin bus to Line 2, or an infrequent Ossington bus. For thousands of people, most of whom just moved here from the suburbs or a small town and are used to getting around by car. So they get in their car and sit in endless traffic on East Liberty.
Just like what will happen in the lower Don lands.
And let's add another 700+ units, with three parking spots for residents. At least they won't be sitting in traffic on Liberty St., but they'll be walking/cycling to most places faster than the TTC will get them there. And the city will have to go to Doug Ford for permission to add any bike lanes.
55-Storey Proposal Could Be Liberty Village's Tallest Yet | UrbanToronto
Liberty Village could see a dramatic shift in scale with a 55-storey mixed-use tower proposed at 147 Liberty Street. Designed by Sweeny &Co Architects Inc. for Intentional Capital, it would be the tallest in the immediate area, located within walking distance of the future Exhibition station on...urbantoronto.ca
By the time this building opens, LV should have access to the Ontario Line, expanded GO service at Exhibition Station as well King-Liberty station.
nfitz
Superstar
I thought the Ontario government recently cancelled King-Liberty station.
kotsy
Senior Member
They haven't canceled it. They've been talking about prioritizing 3 of the 5 stations because costs have gone up, but no final decisions have been made yet. At worst, the station will be delayed. Of course, I could just be naive
I'll also add that Liberty New Street with cycle tracks will open along with the new Exhibition station.
