buildup
Senior Member
If there was a real cause - some huge injustice perpetrated by an intransient authority and no other recourse - then sure. Aparthied is probably a reasonable example.
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If there was a real cause - some huge injustice perpetrated by an intransient authority and no other recourse - then sure. Aparthied is probably a reasonable example.
buildup
Senior Member
"Yeah, like the "imagined wrong" perpetuated on this TTC worker. He deserved it, because he works for the TTC and he's Chinese - probably what goes through the minds of you and your co-believers.
36 hours? Please! people like buildup, Redroom, Asterix and picard are no doubt jealous that he got to stay 36 hours in such a high-class, Hotel-like detention facility. This poor immigrant should be thanking his stars he got to stay in such classy accomodations on the taxpayer's dime."
You biting sarcasm shames me to the core. Perhaps I should come clean on my wild desire to incarcerate Chinese TTC workers - its been a chronic obsession. Anyway, he might surpise you in being more understanding of the confusion which can occur during unruly mass protests. Certainly he deserves an apology.
Althoughhhhh when I read the article I thought this harrowing tale was slightly overblown:
I was petrified, I was shocked. I was essentially arrested for going to work.... It was just martial law. I had no rights.” In custody, he went through “sheer terror” as he listened to other prisoners screaming and tried to sleep on a bloodied concrete floor.
36 hours? Please! people like buildup, Redroom, Asterix and picard are no doubt jealous that he got to stay 36 hours in such a high-class, Hotel-like detention facility. This poor immigrant should be thanking his stars he got to stay in such classy accomodations on the taxpayer's dime."
You biting sarcasm shames me to the core. Perhaps I should come clean on my wild desire to incarcerate Chinese TTC workers - its been a chronic obsession. Anyway, he might surpise you in being more understanding of the confusion which can occur during unruly mass protests. Certainly he deserves an apology.
Althoughhhhh when I read the article I thought this harrowing tale was slightly overblown:
I was petrified, I was shocked. I was essentially arrested for going to work.... It was just martial law. I had no rights.” In custody, he went through “sheer terror” as he listened to other prisoners screaming and tried to sleep on a bloodied concrete floor.
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Second_in_pie
Senior Member
It all depends on the context. Unfortunately, violent protest is unfortunately needed in many, many parts of the world where the government is just unwilling to take up change. In a country like Canada, we too face many issues, from environmental to political to social. But our government has a strong tradition of democracy, and we need to nonviolently fight for our issues.
Unfortunately, there are problems in both of these. In places where people are oppressed and are unable to peacefully protest, people will fear for their lives to avoid a government crackdown many, many times harsher than what we saw this weekend.
In a society like Canada, the main thing stopping these change is people just being inactive in the political system. We hear from everyone that they want to solve global warming and live more fulfilling lives, but how many people act on that and how many people just continue business as usual? People need to understand the crises that we face in this day and age, and that the latest iProduct or a thousand square foot house should be a lower priority than issues like the environment. I fear that until this happens, peaceful protest on issues that may be on the minds of many people will be drowned out by a sea of people just not acting, living their very privileged lives.
Redroom Studios
Senior Member
just to clarify, I am a non-believer! and now for some light hearted relief:
[video=youtube;9U4Ha9HQvMo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U4Ha9HQvMo[/video]
urbandreamer
recession proof
It took me 'til today to realize, but guess what?
g20 topic BORES me.
g20 topic BORES me.
adma
Superstar
Forget Guantanamo Bay! The conditions were worse than Auschwitz!
W. K. Lis
Superstar
The dentention centre was all video recorded on the inside. Ill wait till I see that before I pass on my comments.
Peepers
Banned
Just updating my post to include pictures taken of the repatriation ceremony which refute the claim by Bill Bliar that the ceremony was disrupted by black bloc protesters. I am surprised that the main stream media hasn't picked up yet on this latest lie. For Bill Bliar to use the body of a fallen soldier as a shield is something that I think should enrage a lot of people including many of the law-an-order types.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30673037@N03/sets/72157624260049953/
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Redroom Studios
Senior Member
of course the main stream media hasnt picked up on it... they arent deranged. I think someone forgot to take their meds all this week. This whole discussion has just become way too silly...
Peepers
Banned
By "high end" check out this close-up picture of the "black bloc" guy who set the police cruiser on fire at queen and spadina.
He is wearing an Arc'teryx LEAF jacket . "LEAF" is an acronym for Law Enforcement and Armed Forces for whom this product is marketed to.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mollymotmot/4741238382/in/photostream/
You can see him in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-5jeaIh4YE
Woodbridge_Heights
Senior Member
I can buy a similar Arc'teryx jacket...
from here
***EDIT***
The video linked shows the first two sane protesters I've seen in every video (well save for the guy that stopped the looter at the Bell store). Telling people to stop and asking what these actions ultimately prove.
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Second_in_pie
Senior Member
Too bad I wasn't in the city for that, I probably would've been straight down there to give those black bloc guys a sound thrashing. I heard that one woman asking how it was constructive, but that seemed to be everyone who actually cared about what was going on. Why wasn't anyone out there in arms to respond to the black bloc guys destroying our city?
EDIT: Yeah, these guys were going for a professional troublemaker look, so I'd be kind of surprised if they weren't outfitted like this.
EDIT: Yeah, these guys were going for a professional troublemaker look, so I'd be kind of surprised if they weren't outfitted like this.
MetroMan
Senior Member
I'm not the tin foil hat type but I buy this allegation. He certainly appears to be a cop from all the evidence pointed out.
If he were not, why would the police not have set out a very public search for this guy? Instantly after security camera footage is found from a suspect in a crime, it's all over the news. This guy clearly threw the first stone in destroying these cruisers and there are professional photographs of him -- not some fuzzy cctv captures -- so why wouldn't they put out a public search for him. He could be easily identified by people who know him or eyes on the street.
Something's fishy here and I'd like to know what. If he's not a cop, I want the police to arrest him and bring him to justice for destroying our city's property. In fact, I'd like to kick in the balls myself.
If he were not, why would the police not have set out a very public search for this guy? Instantly after security camera footage is found from a suspect in a crime, it's all over the news. This guy clearly threw the first stone in destroying these cruisers and there are professional photographs of him -- not some fuzzy cctv captures -- so why wouldn't they put out a public search for him. He could be easily identified by people who know him or eyes on the street.
Something's fishy here and I'd like to know what. If he's not a cop, I want the police to arrest him and bring him to justice for destroying our city's property. In fact, I'd like to kick in the balls myself.
Peepers
Banned
EXACTLY!
If he is still on the loose there is just no reasonable explanation why the cops would not release his picture to the media. I don't care how hot a trail they are on they would not want to risk him escaping the city or country.
If he has already been arrested I am also certain that the police would have announced this with great fanfare and released his picture along with an appeal to the public that if anyone witnessed him commit other crimes that they come forward. This has not happened!
The only press release on the Police site regarding G20 arrests concerns the British prank filmmaker who was charged with "impersonating a police officer" for jokingly telling a security guard that he was an undercover cop acting as an agent provocateur.
Over a 1000 arrests and the ONLY announcement of formal charges from the cops is some prankster who is guilty of having a poor sense of humour?
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tkip
Active Member
Apparently so.
My friends and I talked about this tonight and one lady said, "It's jail. It's not a hotel room". What do people expect when they're arrested and detained? Special trreatment? Spas? Being spoon fed? Jails are not designed for comfort. People who were detained and then cried later about the insufferable conditions are acting like they were prisoners of war for years in some third world police state or something. It's embarassing.
Having lived through some truly nightmarish and terrifying conditions growing up, I can only imagine how any of those injustly detained protestors would have handled it. Apparently, people suffer complete meltdowns when locked up in jail for less than 24hrs in this country. You want nightmare stories?
Talk to my co-workers that fled El Salvador.
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