TheTigerMaster
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So what if the bus commute is slightly longer? In most cases it'll be shorter.
What gives you the impression that in most cases the bus trip will be shorter?
So what if the bus commute is slightly longer? In most cases it'll be shorter.
What gives you the impression that in most cases the bus trip will be shorter?
I never said these affected groups can't use an elevator. The subway option will also involve elevators obviously. What I'm saying though is what you are promoting will involve longer walking times to transfer between the respective modes of transit. How is that helping people, when for marginally higher cost we can invest in eliminating those transfers? And most transit trips don't end in Scarborough, less than half do:
Seems like a sizable chunk are in fact going to the areas surrounding the YUS Line.
Because, think about it, most routes already terminate at either Kennedy or Scarborough Town Centre. Diverting more routes like the planned Sheppard and Ellesmere branches into SCC, for instance, means commuters from the east end of Scarborough are getting access to the subway far sooner than continuing across to the SRT corridor (or farther afield the Don Mills or Yonge corridors).
McCowan is more beneficial a transit spine to most of Scarborough (it's the Yonge Street of Scarborough!)
Do you understand math and statistics, in particular the difference between a systematic sampling error, and the margin of error that is normally caused by the limited sample size?
Assume you have a town with 100,000 people, 32% of them like basketball and 44% like baseball. When you poll 500 people, you might find that 34% of those polled like basketball, and 41% like baseball. You will have a margin of error equal to 2 or 3 or 4 points. You could get a smaller error by polling more people, but for many purposes, your results are already good enough.
Now if you conduct your poll on a day of a major baseball game, you might get only 15% responses in favor of baseball. That's because many baseball fans will be out watching the game, or glued to the screens and not taking phone calls. That would be a systematic sampling error. The error wouldn't get any smaller if you polled more people on the same day, and it wouldn't be reflected in the margin of error.
Anyway, I said that the poll results have to be taken with a grain of salt; never said that they all should be ignored.
Cherry picking is selecting one group of data that suites you most, and ignoring the rest. That's exactly what you are doing when you refer to the polls only and ignore results of multiple election campaigns.
Just because you call the polls far more reliable, they don't actually become far more reliable.
The majority of Torontoians are fine with the subway plan.
In your imagination.
During the 2010 election campaign, I heard / read a lot of noises about taxes from the Ford's side, and much less about transit. Therefore I decided to make it a bit easier for you, and not insist on including the 2010 election results in the body of evidence that the electorate tends to support pro-subway candidates.
But if you want them included, no problem. They fit into the trend.
No it's not fair to say what you said.
First of all, homophobia and bigotry were RoFo's personal failings, not elements of his election platform. Secondly, the residents who voted for him, could not possibly expect to benefit from the said features of the mayor. Unlike the subway, that they definitely hoped to benefit from (you are free to believe or not whether they will actually benefit).
It is fair to say that they chose to overlook RoFo's personal failings, in the hope that he will deliver them benefits of another nature. Whether that was a smart choice, is a matter of another debate that isn't relevant for a transit thread.
Why won't they run full speed?
Yes, do you?
If you understand this then you'll understand how silly it is to suggest election results indicate support for one mode of transit over another.
But they are.
And no data is being cherry picked.
What data is there that actually indicates this is a good idea?
All the ridership data, density and population projections indicate that this is a waste of money.
Nope.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...nts-back-lrt-but-only-slightly-poll-says.html
"In the rest of Toronto only 28 per cent approved of the single stop underground project, while 60 per cent disapproved."
You are completely contradicting yourself - the 2010 election apparently wasn't about transit because you don't want it to be, but 2015 was even though Doug Ford dominated Scarborough simply by rehashing his brother's 2010 plan.
And yes, the same 'logic' you're applying to make blanket statements about transit support can certainly be applied to make blanket statements about Scarborough's support for bigotry, homophobia, etc.
His stance on such issues were known well before the election, and his disdain for the LGBTQ community throughout his time in office was fairly well supported among his base.
We should have a custom-ordered LRT vehicle. If Bombardier doesn't want to build it to our specifications, then I am sure Siemens or some other company would be more than happy too. No absolute need to keep the same rolling stock for every LRT line, especially since it is unlikely Sheppard will connect to any, minus possibly with Crosstown East.
I may have confused speed with frequency. I believe frequency will be lower from SSE to Kennedy until there's enough ridership to support it (which could be many, many years), with some trains heading back west at Kennedy station.
That itself will result in longer travel times.
The RT is fantastic as it is - one must be quite out of touch to think Kennedy to STC in 10 minutes with stops in between is 'bad'.
Years ago, back when the SSE was three stops with anticipated demand of 14,000 pphpd, TTC said only 50% of Line 2 trains would service Scarborough Town Centre. Now with only one stop on the extension, and demand of only 7,000 pphpd, they've claimed they'll be sending all trains to Scarborough Centre. The reasons for this change are not entirely clear to me (why run more trains when you anticipate demand to be lower?)
Maybe they think that the trains will turn around much faster with a one-stop extension, than they would with a 3-stop extension and a longer route. Therefore, no point to go for a more complicated scheduling.
Years ago, back when the SSE was three stops with anticipated demand of 14,000 pphpd, TTC said only 50% of Line 2 trains would service Scarborough Town Centre. Now with only one stop on the extension, and demand of only 7,000 pphpd, they've claimed they'll be sending all trains to Scarborough Centre. The reasons for this change are not entirely clear to me (why run more trains when you anticipate demand to be lower?)
In any case, the TTC's service plans for individual routes change every few months. They're in no way bound to provide a certain level of service, and we probably won't know for sure what service on the extension will look like until a few months before it opens.
Seriously? How? McCowan is lined with single family dwellings its entire length. If there's any "Yonge Street of Scarborough", its Eglinton.
Ryerson University analyzed this and disagreed. Bus trips to access the SSE will increase by an average of 4 minutes, versus the existing SRT
They determined the average travel time by bus to the closest transit stop would be 20.5 minutes with the seven-stop LRT, 23.7 minutes with the existing SRT, and 27.3 minutes with the one-stop subway — meaning the average time spent on the bus with the subway option would be 6.8 minutes longer than with the LRT.
Seriously? How? McCowan is lined with single family dwellings its entire length. If there's any "Yonge Street of Scarborough", its Eglinton.
We've learned some fascinating things from Scarborough Subway supporters in this thread:
- Rapid Transit that gets you from Kennedy to STC (over 6km) in less than 10 minutes is bad because it involves a staircase
- Election results are only about SUBWAYS SUBWAYS SUBWAYS, but polls based on scientific principles aren't reliable
- Scarborough is paying for downtown transit expansion
- McCowan is the Yonge Street of Scarborough
- There may be elderly ladies with canes going downtown, therefore we must spend billions of dollars to ensure they don't have to use an LRT, even if it means a much longer bus ride
- Density doesn't matter
- Cost doesn't matter
am I missing anything?