sixrings
Senior Member
Our lives are already ruined by poor transit.... might as well wait and get the deluxe package for our great great grandchildren who won't even know who we are other than when they do their high school family tree project
Just in time for replacement....err debate...The LRT was proposed by the city in 2007, with a construction start of 2012 and opening in 2016 after the 4 earlier LRT lines.
With Phase 1 of the DRL currently planned for 2029, it's unliikely that we'll see it extended north to Eglinton until the 2030s ...and how many more years to get to Sheppard? The Eglinton LRT could have been running for a quarter-century by then.
Miller and Transit City was the worst thing to happen to Toronto transit in the past 15 years. If they would have just picked one line, and done it properly, we would be so much farther ahead. This includes any 1 of:
- Eglinton fully grade-separated from YYZ to Malvern (via Mount Dennis, Science Centre, Kennedy and STC).
- Sheppard subway from Wilson to STC.
- DRL from Spadina to Seneca College.
Finally, Toronto is lagging global trend setters in effective transit system improvements. It’s also failing certain particularly suburban areas in this regard. Yet Toronto is booming nonetheless and population and economic development are concentrating in areas already well serviced by transit.
So you’re saying the person with good (but somewhat flawed) ideas came too late because people who came before them had no ideas so their idea is automatically considered bad?Heres my take:
Millers plan was overambitious, and it was too late.
Too late? What do you mean?
Well, the Scarborough RT and Sheppard Subway both should have been LRT from the get-go.
By the time Miller came around, we had a weird, proprietary technology for the Scarborough line, and a stubway to nowhere with Sheppard.
So the Transit City plan was a bit of a mess, but not its fault.
Switching the RT to LRT was a big expense and would have closed down the RT to the point that a subway was "justified" (but not really, it just opened up the debate). But thats not the fault of Transit City. The damn thing should of and was going to be LRT in the first place. Had that happened we'd be riding an LRT extension as we speak right now to Malvern, maybe further.
The Sheppard subway to LRT transfer is...odd. And annoying. But thats not the fault of Transit City. The Sheppard Subway should never have been built in the first place, that should have been LRT from the get go. The ridership didnt demand anywhere near subway levels when it opened and it still isnt there yet. Nothing a 4 car LRT couldnt easily handle.
These oddities both opened up points of contention in Transit City, added to its cost, and allowed for debate which eventually derailed most of it.
Transit City should have been "LRT Expansion Phase 2" really. This all started decades before Miller.
The Scarborough RT was LRT from day one - until the Progressive Conservative government interfered and switched it to RT technology. Frank Miller was the Premier when the RT opened, but it was his predecessor that was at fault, not Miller.Well, the Scarborough RT and Sheppard Subway both should have been LRT from the get-go.
By the time Miller came around, we had a weird, proprietary technology for the Scarborough line, and a stubway to nowhere with Sheppard.
And that's Toronto in a nutshell. Where way past what's being proposed for DRL. Should be science centre to dundas west station at least.The LRT was proposed by the city in 2007, with a construction start of 2012 and opening in 2016 after the 4 earlier LRT lines.
With Phase 1 of the DRL currently planned for 2029, it's unliikely that we'll see it extended north to Eglinton until the 2030s ...and how many more years to get to Sheppard? The Eglinton LRT could have been running for a quarter-century by then.
David Miller wasn't dropped from outer space.Well, the Scarborough RT and Sheppard Subway both should have been LRT from the get-go.
By the time Miller came around, we had a weird, proprietary technology for the Scarborough line, and a stubway to nowhere with Sheppard.
So the Transit City plan was a bit of a mess, but not its fault.
Instead, he tried to do a half dozen things half assed - and then the funding was cut so only 1 is actually started at this time.
Given how much more Miller accomplished than Tory, does that make Tory a quarter-assed or fully-assed?Instead, he tried to do a half dozen things half assed ...
In Fords 1st 4 months, he got agreement on the connected Eglinton-Scarborough LRT - the best transit plan we have seen in 30+ years. (Yes, better than the DRL to Pape). In less than a year after that, Council took the transit file away from Ford and proudly wears the debacle we are in (along with the Provincial Liberals who quietly pulled the strings).Given how much more Miller accomplished than Tory, does that make Tory a quarter-assed or fully-assed?
And then there's arguably the worst mayor ever, Doug Ford. Is he one-twentieth assed or 10 asses?
I guess 10 asses would be 2.5 sestertius.
Given how much more Miller accomplished than Tory, does that make Tory a quarter-assed or fully-assed?
And then there's arguably the worst mayor ever, Doug Ford. Is he one-twentieth assed or 10 asses?
I guess 10 asses would be 2.5 sestertius.
Oxford doesn't need to help shit. They are under no obligation to spend a single penny on anypart of this project. If Oxford is going to contribute anything to the SSE it will be at STC because that's where they benefit the most. What does Oxford have to gain from spending money on a stop at Lawrence East when they gain no monetary benefit from it? The reason Woodbine is being built by the Private sector is because there is a direct monetary benefit for the parties involved.
Actually it is not booming in areas that is already well served in by transit - it is booming in areas that you can get away with not having to use transit or drive at all.
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