2024 United States presidential election

[kEiThZ]

Amongst all this, the left in the US and Canada have to start talking about competence in governance. Particularly when you see results where Democratic strongholds like Manhattan and Queens and Orlando and Houston are shifting. Those with leftist mayors are shifting right. And we could see the same here. I can imagine Chow helping re-elect Doug Ford and helping the CPC get seats in the 416. The left has to start taking issues like crime and homelessness seriously.

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[kEiThZ]

This has been my concern since Day 1.

And given the turnout and voting pattern of women, it doesn't seem like American women themselves think it's a priority. And this issue is not something Harris muddled her way through. She was crystal clear. I think it's time to acknowledge that American women don't think reproductive rights are important.

 

[Bibi L]

Project 2025 (the unacknowledged Trump agenda by the GOP policy-wing the Heritage Foundation) calls for making it illegal to mail the 'abortion pill' across state lines or even medical equipment used for same. They would love to pass a national abortion ban. Expect the crazies in the GOP House that control the balance of power to demand it.

Trump himself has distanced from project 2025. He mentioned he doesn’t know what is in it. And he has never talked about it other than that.

As predicted, it was not. Congrats on eating up disinformation.

Please tell me how any of what I wrote is “disinformation”. And please tell me how Kamala is any better.

Trump loses popularity.

Trump had 4 years to lose popularity. How come this was his most popular year?

They don't just deserve it, they want it.

Want what? They’re just gonna continue voting for the administration that they are suffering with? Obviously they are going to compare Trump’s term and Kamala’s term and will choose Trump, as life was better under him.

Those who share his racist

Please tell me everything racist about him. You just throw around these words without explanation.

 

[jje1000]

And given the turnout and voting pattern of women, it doesn't seem like American women themselves think it's a priority. And this issue is not something Harris muddled her way through. She was crystal clear. I think it's time to acknowledge that American women don't think reproductive rights are important.

I think abortion wasn't the only thing on the ballot for women- there were also economic concerns (women are typically the primary grocery shopper in a household, and are uniquely exposed to inflation), concerns over the invasion of female spaces (real and perceived), and concerns about law enforcement and illegal mass immigration (real).

 

[Northern Light]

Trump himself has distanced from project 2025. He mentioned he doesn’t know what is in it. And he has never talked about it other than that.


Please tell me how any of what I wrote is “disinformation”. And please tell me how Kamala is any better.


Trump had 4 years to lose popularity. How come this was his most popular year?


Want what? They’re just gonna continue voting for the administration that they are suffering with? Obviously they are going to compare Trump’s term and Kamala’s term and will choose Trump, as life was better under him.


Please tell me everything racist about him. You just throw around these words without explanation.

I don't particularly desire to engage here.

I think your views are not merely outside of the mainstream in Toronto and on UT..........but way out there.

That said, I'll be a good sport.........here's some reading for you:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/12/trump-racist-rhetoric-immigrants-00183537

 

[PinkLucy]

Racism? Telling American-born women of colour to go back where they came from. Recently saying that certain immigrant populations are genetically predisposed to commit crimes. Calling Mexicans rapists. Comments about Harris "turning black". The Central Park Five case. The "very fine people" in the white supremacist march. The "eating the dogs" comments. "Make America Great Again" is a call to return to the "good times" when white men were in charge. The Birther conspiracy. Saying he should win the Black vote because immigrants were taking "Black jobs". So many examples over the years. Trump housing developments. "They don't look like Indians to me". Blacks are lazy. Comments about Jews only caring about money. And just because people cheer on his comments doesn't make the comments, or him, any less racist.

 

[old boy]

And given the turnout and voting pattern of women, it doesn't seem like American women themselves think it's a priority. And this issue is not something Harris muddled her way through. She was crystal clear. I think it's time to acknowledge that American women don't think reproductive rights are important.

And apparently, many American women will accept a paternalistic, racist in charge. Talk about value systems - generally people are willing to accept the tyranny they're comfortable with .

 

[kEiThZ]

I think abortion wasn't the only thing on the ballot for women- there were also economic concerns (women are typically the primary grocery shopper in a household, and are uniquely exposed to inflation), concerns over the invasion of female spaces (real and perceived), and concerns about illegal mass immigration (real).

100%. But I think there was a perception (at least among progressives) that the real threat of rights being taken away or diminished trump those other concerns. They clearly do not.

It may be that this mindset will change if things get bad enough. But it's also likely that this issue is not nearly as important as progressives think.

 

[jje1000]

100%. But I think there was a perception (at least among progressives) that the real threat of rights being taken away or diminished trump those other concerns. They clearly do not.

It may be that this mindset will change if things get bad enough. But it's also likely that this issue is not nearly as important as progressives think.

I doubt the abortion battle is at the federal level now, as Trump punted it down to the states while distancing himself from the pro-life factions.

 

[lenaitch]

And given the turnout and voting pattern of women, it doesn't seem like American women themselves think it's a priority. And this issue is not something Harris muddled her way through. She was crystal clear. I think it's time to acknowledge that American women don't think reproductive rights are important.

I think we often discount or diminish the impact of faith in US society and politics. Call it evangelical, southern Baptist, political Christianity, or whatever you wish, but the right side of the spectrum has a lot closer ties to faith than up here. Views on abortion, beyond being just a matter of philosophy or ethics for most, are also tied to economic or social division. It's almost like the '60s view that pregnancy doesn't happen to nice, white middle class girls, but to 'other folk'.

If the argument is that they understand it is a state issue, that doesn't explain why many keep electing Republican state governments.

 

[afransen]

Lets take Roe V. Wade being overturned.

Understanding that I'm pro-choice and disagree w/the ruling......its important to note that abortions in the U.S. are actually up 20% since 2022 when that ruling came out.
So whether you're pro-choice or anti-choice, you probably didn't get what you expected or wanted.

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/news...t-deaths-increase-after-roe-v-wade-overturned

It is absolutely true that women, particularly low income women in states with comprehensive abortion bans are either bringing unwanted pregnancies to term, or facing incredible hardship going out of state to procure one etc......
But equally true than more affluent women either travel with relative ease and/or are going the pill route.

What many may not have expected is that women who are not necessarily looking to terminate their pregnancy are being denied medically necessary care until such a point they are are grave risk of death. Eg, not being able to remove a fetus that is non-viable until there is no 'heartbeat' bringing risk of sepsis, etc.

A Pregnant Teenager Died After Trying to Get Care in Three Visits to Texas Emergency Rooms

It took three ER visits and 20 hours before a hospital admitted Nevaeh Crain, 18, as her condition worsened. Doctors insisted on two ultrasounds to confirm “fetal demise.” She’s one of at least two Texas women who died under the state’s abortion ban.

www.propublica.org

 

[afransen]

Trump himself has distanced from project 2025. He mentioned he doesn’t know what is in it. And he has never talked about it other than that.

You do realize that Trump has a penchant for lying, right?

He is very cozy with the Heritage Institute, his SCOTUS appointments were driven by the organization, and huge swath of his previous administration is associated with it and helped draft Project 2025. They lied and said it wasn't the plan because they were not ready to say the quiet part out loud. Matt Walsh and Steve Bannon have both commented that now the election is over, they can openly say that Project 2025 is the agenda. Some of it may be watered down the GOP Senators and Representatives, but much of it won't be.

 

[afransen]

I doubt the abortion battle is at the federal level now, as Trump punted it down to the states while distancing himself from the pro-life factions.

A significant portion of the House GOP caucus want it to be a federal issue. That battle will have to play out within the GOP.

 

[old boy]

I think we often discount or diminish the impact of faith in US society and politics. Call it evangelical, southern Baptist, political Christianity, or whatever you wish, but the right side of the spectrum has a lot closer ties to faith than up here. Views on abortion, beyond being just a matter of philosophy or ethics for most, are also tied to economic or social division. It's almost like the '60s view that pregnancy doesn't happen to nice, white middle class girls, but to 'other folk'.

If the argument is that they understand it is a state issue, that doesn't explain why many keep electing Republican state governments.

It has something to do with a patriarchy bias in the US, which a lot of women support it seems. The struggle for abortion rights is a visible aspect of a rebellion against a deep-seated male primacy element in America. It's all well advocating for women to have authority over their body, but it simply didn't have traction enough to overcome all the Trump testosterone -charged bombast. In my opinion, the surprising performance of the Republicans represents an American unspoken desire which, for the moment, is content with women in their rightful place.

 

[kEiThZ]

I think we often discount or diminish the impact of faith in US society and politics. Call it evangelical, southern Baptist, political Christianity, or whatever you wish, but the right side of the spectrum has a lot closer ties to faith than up here. Views on abortion, beyond being just a matter of philosophy or ethics for most, are also tied to economic or social division. It's almost like the '60s view that pregnancy doesn't happen to nice, white middle class girls, but to 'other folk'.

If the argument is that they understand it is a state issue, that doesn't explain why many keep electing Republican state governments.

Was it faith or something else nobody wants to admit to?

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