the lemur
Senior Member
FWIW, I was very much an anti-Ford vote, and I would have voted for Chow or Tory or a lamp, depending on who was leading in the last polls.
Lamp! Lamp! He's our champ!
FWIW, I was very much an anti-Ford vote, and I would have voted for Chow or Tory or a lamp, depending on who was leading in the last polls.
FWIW, I was very much an anti-Ford vote, and I would have voted for Chow or Tory or a lamp, depending on who was leading in the last polls.
I'm still gobsmacked by (a) right-leaning posters who call Ford 'centre-right' and have a scorched earth policy towards Chow and (b) left-leaning posters who wouldn't vote for the devil John Tory, 'cause, you know, horns. And he's just Ford in sheep's clothing.
I'm hoping that, outside of our little sandbox/hothouse, both sides are much more reasonable in their opinions and it's just part of the forum/anonymity thing.
Don't leave us hanging! What did you think, do you have a video, etc.The Chow campaign just held a press conference announcing the results of a study of Tory's SmartTrack plan by an economist they hired. Joe Mihevic, who was present, and the economist (Mitchell something-or-other) looked like they didn't want to be there, and the journalists in attendance seemed even less interested.
Olivia Chow did not attend.
No video -- just saw it on CP24.Don't leave us hanging! What did you think, do you have a video, etc.
I believe she was lost at the Cancer diagnosis. She was whaling on Rofo til then . After that she didnt know how to act. She (and her team one supposes) decided to play nice with cancer boy. Then the polls (the real ones we don't t get to see) told her Doug was not a real threat so she went easy on him and started riding Tory, her only perceived threat. Along come Ari spouting true leftist ideals in a palatable (to the left) way and the contrast was stark. No Olivia there are no coronation s. The whole mess makes me sad.
Agreed to both! I just think that she was knocked off balance by that and Warren Kinsella. I feel she thought this would be easy.I'm of the same position. Of course if Chow was in the lead she'd need to have a much different (coherent...?) platform.
The hyperbole and vitriol from both sides is absurd and depressing and, like you, I hope it just seems worse for those of us who follow this stuff closely.
There are people have just the deepest fear Olivia Chow will turn the city into some sort of Marxist hellhole and others who think Tory is just a smarter Rob Ford ; both POVs that are totally absurd to anyone who has followed either in any detail.
Everyone is so far up their own butts they can't see the sunlight. I see so many Chow supporters on Twitter etc. just bashing Tory non-stop without a single question about her own platform, which is only ever so slightly more well-formed. If you wanna bash SmartTrack, you can bash it but to go on and on about it as if any candidate has a sensible transit plan is just annoying. I get it - you like Olivia. Vote for her, more power to you!
But beware, other people think your candidate is AT LEAST as horrible as you think their candidate is. That's part of living in a democracy. Neither Tory nor Chow is even remotely the personal or political mess that Rob or Doug Ford are; the city will still be standing in 4 years, I promise.
It's probably news to Rob that he can't take credit for those cranes in the sky or the high tourism numbers but even those who hate him should look at those things and consider that if the city can keep going like that with Rob Ford in office, how bent do you have to be to think that either Tory or Chow will do anything bad enough to derail it? The city is more resilient than people give it credit for and demonizing someone who doesn't fit your world-view strikes me as counter-productive, at best.
I respectfully disagree. Gut feel is largely about the base. And each politician has their respective base. Political sparring, however, is about winning where elections are decided: in the centre.
I believe she was lost at the Cancer diagnosis. She was whaling on Rofo til then . After that she didnt know how to act. She (and her team one supposes) decided to play nice with cancer boy. Then the polls (the real ones we don't t get to see) told her Doug was not a real threat so she went easy on him and started riding Tory, her only perceived threat. Along come Ari spouting true leftist ideals in a palatable (to the left) way and the contrast was stark. No Olivia there are no coronation s. The whole mess makes me sad.
Speaking of, I was out on a stroll in the neighborhood today and actually have seen a palpable amount of Goldkind lawn signs out there, not many, and lost in the sea of Tory, but more than 2 or 3.
They just want this to be over. I don't blame them.No video -- just saw it on CP24.
Looked to me like they were just going through the motions.
Speaking of, I was out on a stroll in the neighborhood today and actually have seen a palpable amount of Goldkind lawn signs out there, not many, and lost in the sea of Tory, but more than 2 or 3.
Ari had a real plan and passion for the city. Too bad the Ford's are around.I truly hope he runs again in future. The support he garners now should be encouraging to his team even if it doesn't amount to many real votes. A clever Chow team would offer him a high position if he throws in for her camp.
Sure, but are you willing to risk a vote for Chow just to satisfy your personal desire for moral satisfaction? What if the polls are wrong in the opposite direction?
Personally I think Chow had the opportunity and blew it with her past and continued mis-positioning. That said, I am curious to think of how others felt about the the what-if scenario of Chow being in the lead and the supportability of her candidacy by the centre-right voters.
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Speaking of, I was out on a stroll in the neighborhood today and actually have seen a palpable amount of Goldkind lawn signs out there, not many, and lost in the sea of Tory, but more than 2 or 3.
That said, everybody has to decide how much of a threat Ford is to them. For me, he's one vote on council and I can live with him getting elected. For once, I'm grateful that the strong mayor system that I advocate for is not in place. On the the other hand, some might see four years of bickering as a real problem.
Did you see any Chow or Ford? I honestly haven't seen any yet in our area, not even one.